Ultimate thread to nerf the remaining S tier civs

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@PlumpDucklin

like how people were freaking out with turks +1PA, and it turned into a non event

At least Turkish Hussars dies easily to tbeir counters, thing that doesn’t happen exactly well with Sicilian cavaliers.

@Nheltarion

Do as you wish, but chu ko nu are not the reason why Chinese is that strong

I think you have to see this interview done long time before DE (SOTL with TaToh about Chinese perfomance), here talks about how strong Chu Ko Nu is: https://youtu.be/PvT7LSZE95k?t=434
Also I will repeat, Chu Ko Nu isn’t used because the Chinese can tech quickly into Arbalest really easy since can be massed from Feudal…(Same as Leitis, barely prefered over Knights, yet Leitis lost 1 PA)

@Nheltarion

No. The last thing Franks need is getting back gold when they lose cavaliers/paladin in 1v1.
If you want to nerf them you have to hit their eco, not their stable.

24G? I don’t think is problematic for 1v1, also Franks are at least dealable in 1v1, in team games they are just insane.
Also nerfing their eco nerfs pretty much them at 1v1.

@Lepigozzus

Sicilians with less than 48% average win rate are now as problematic as S tier civs? 11
And if they aren’t and you just want to nerf them, because reasons, what sort of buff you propose to compensate them? Or you just like to see them in the dirt?

Read this

@wolfsilver9640

Second, even if a civ have good winrates and are not op or weak still certain bonus or mechanic are not healthy for the game (cumans’s 2tc , flemish revolution, first cruisade etc…)

@Geojak92

And Chinese are already in or close to worst 5 civ when looking at all players. Yes they are good for pros, still. Making them a perfectly balanced civ that is great with skill and bad without, but further nerfong them would just turn them into a bad for everyone.

And who cares about low elo, you can even make the Chinese an auto civ for low levels yet they will underperform.