Misrepresenting a whole sub continent, and then being satisfied with whatever randomness is thrown at. Even though its a brand new game! 
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Thatās because in Age2 we have lots of civs and various factions of the same civ, like Turks and Tatars. So we are asking for branching Indians.
In Age4, they are saying they will be having less number of civs but with more diversity. Just like Chinese, Indians were also more or less the same - with Sanskrit language and Elephant warfare. So here we ask for a properly designed Indian civ (just 1, or maybe 2).
Bruh how Delhi Sultanate represents the entire continent? Do you even realize India itself was completely split at the entirity of Medieval time period? Delhi Sultanate is just Delhi Sultanate in Medieval times. In past I completely hated how Indians was represented in AoE2. That was extremely inaccurate representation. Probably the worst representation in the entire game. I had similar complain for Italians in AoE2 as well. Just check the history.
This might give slightly better idea for you.
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Lol Ive already seen this ! or all of the youtube you can say ! and I have to sadly inform you there are many misinformations in this video, especially regarding the Raputana, Probably I have commented on this video too !
I myself from gondwana which as u can see never been conquered by delhi sultanate,
While as for Delhi Sultanate ! U can see the ruler continuously changing! and it existed for just a very short time period while there are many other which were there from very long time !
So if you go by the video! it itself shows how less sense it is to represent Delhi sultanate as first mention of India in the game
And anyways its totally unworthy for Dulhi Sultanate to represent India in Aoe4
For the 2nd time I am saying again, āDelhi Sultanateā does not represent āIndiaā. It represents a part of India around Delhi region. Game is so far around 10th-15th century. For that standard itās fairly a good design accurately. Concept āIndiaā wasnāt even a thing in Medieval times. It was splited into small Kingdoms. AOE4 is going that way instead of umbrella it with just āIndiansā and itās a bad design choice. AoE2:DE is a prime example for you.
Anyway, if you still think āDelhi Sultanateā = āentirety of Indiaā then go ahead keep complaining.
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Sure coz for the looks of it ! they seem to have less civs in aoe4 !
Also! even if they want to include a kingdom they LITERALLY have many other options to go for !
To choose this one as the FIRST one doesnt give a good messege/vibe at all!
Coz as from my experience in Indian civ in aoe3, and many misreprestations,
the devs usually donāt dwell deep into India and just keeps the stereotypical/ignorant civ of India in the game and keep focusing on the other popular civs ONLY.
So, for the nth time, I repeat:
Starting with Delhi Sultanate doesnt give a good omens AT ALL
As its said, first impression is the last impression.
They couldāve gone for any native Indian civ but for some reason they didnt! that in itself is a big statement for devs intentions!
If the game is successful they will add more civis without clashing with delhi sultanate.what would you rather have an umbrella Indian civilization like HRE or the chance to have multiple?
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It is not meant to represent India, it is meant to represent only a part of it. The Kannauj-Delhi Region.
What is the point of bringing up religion?
So you donāt care about rest of the India? Because Rajputs are limited only to North-West India.
My point is one civilization cannot cover India as a whole. Especially so in the Medieval Age. (i.e. the time period after Gupta Period (Classical Age) and before the entry of Mughals (Modern Age)
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That would be lovely.
Vijayanagar Empire, Bengal Sultanate, Gajapati Empire, Gujarat Sultanate, Malwa Sultanate, Bahmani Sultanate, Ahom Kingdom, Mewar Kingdom are the most likely best candidates as the contemporaries of Delhi Sultanate from the Medieval Age.
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@SauravT @Player669668806 @Athanaric87x @TheFibrewire @LostCord3 @PratUshh @MrLongGamer786
There is no point of whining over Delhi Sultanate just because it is a Muslim Sultanate. Please donāt see them from religious lenses.
Delhi Sultanate is just one of the glorious factions of our subcontinent. Here are some lovely podcasts about them. I would recommend you to listen to them:
The point is, unlike Chinese who are one single Ethnicity, India is made up of several different ethnicities. Each of its different people had their own empire/kingdom at different points of time.
Indians is comparable to Europeans. They have the Romans we have the Mauryans. They have around ~20 major ethnicities. We have around ~15 major ethnicities.
Delhi Sultanate does not represent India. It represents only a part of it. It represents the Delhi-Kannauj Region.
The problem with the factions you guys are suggesting are:
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Rajputs: Hindu-Muslim Kingdoms of Rajputana Region. It does make sense for Late Medieval North-Western India.
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Sikhs: Founded in 1799. They are a 19th century faction from Punjab.
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Maratha: Significant only during 18th century for a short time period (near the end of Mughals due to the idiotic ruler Aurangzeb)
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Chola: Proper Medieval Age Tamil Civilization. But they too cover only South India. It will make more sense to include them if we have some South-East Asian Factions (Khmer or Srivijaya)
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Gupta: Classical Era Faction.
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Maurya: Ancient Age Faction. Totally unfit for AoE4
Medieval History of India spans after Gupta Period (Classical Age) to before the arrival of Mughals (Modern Age)
It spans from the 6th century to the 16th century. That is a solid time 1000 years that you guys seem to be neglecting.
Even this period is divided into two parts,
Early medieval
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Rashtrakuta
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Pala
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Gurjara-Pratihara
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Kannauj
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Rudhi-Ganga
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Karkota
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Chola
Late Medieval
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Delhi Sultanate
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Vijayanagar Empire
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Bengal Sultanate
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Gajapati Empire
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Gujarat Sultanate
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Malwa Sultanate
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Bahmani Sultanate
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Ahom Kingdom
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Mewar Kingdom
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Finally some sense after reading all the baseless comments. Thank you Juggernaut.
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Unrelated to the topic, the monument known as Qutub Minar was built in 4th century and is called Dhruv Stambh or Vishnu Stambh. It was not constructed by Qutub ud din Aibak. It was actually destroyed by him to give it the present look.
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This iron pillar is known as Vishnu Stambh./ Dhruv Stambh
Yeah qutb minar victory tower is built over some hindu/jain temple ruins.
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This is common throughout history. Victors build over the conquered. That doesnāt mean we shouldnāt have the biggest Indian empire represented in the game. Iām glad this Sultanate was chosen. Promises new Indian civs in the game. Looking forward to it
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A misleading Glory will lead you nowhere,
This is the ignorance ! You simply insenseible to the extent of role Religion plays in eastern world!
Abrahimic and Dharmic Religions work in very different way!
And all the Dharmic Religions are part of the land wherever they reside! be it India Japan or China! The factor of Cultural influence cant be ignored in these cases, cause it applies here more than others.
And Im not even talking with āReligious lensesā, even without the religious lenses! the āMonumentsā you mentioned, are just destruction and forced conversion/reconstruction!
The base reality still remains the same !
Indeed no point of politicizing and fighting over it today. If you listen to the podcasts I linked, he clearly mentions, looting of relics and monuments was very common in the history of India. Be it dharmic vs dharmic war or dharmic vs any other religion. It is not something new introduced from āforeign invasionsā
Donāt worry mate. I think they actually did open the gates for more Indian factions in future and so more representation of the subcontinent.
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Already worried ! Devs didnāt do a good work on their sensibility.
1.The devs usually NEVER dwell deep into India
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The Track record of Dev for Indian Civs is tooo bad to ignore. (Especially as India was a Forgotten empire, then in aoe3 de, etc)
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Their first impression is not good at all. They already Started with the Delhi sultanate, the most odd selection of civ, out of all possible ones! And as its already rumored that aoe4 will have lesser civs! I simply have no confidence in devs that they have even understood the issue
- Im a former aoe, aoe2, and current aoe3 player, And there had been many incidents in terms of gameplay and civ changes:
That my trust on Microsoft team and Relic Dev team is already running low.
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Yeah medieval India feels incomplete in aoe4 to get only Delhi Sultanate. I hope they do consider adding more Indian factions in future.
Atleast they didnāt make us a weird camel civ umbrella Indians again. And named the civ on the basis of what it is historically based on. It would have been even worse if they named the civ Indians but with Delhi Sultanate units and buildings only.
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Well, I guess it depends on how well the game sellsā¦
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