Is this post mostly Indian? In the period of aoe4, there is no India, which is called Delhi Sultanate. Until the British colonists came into control of the South Asian subcontinent, there was no unified country called India in the ancient South Asian subcontinent. The Sultanate of Delhi is a part of Indian history. Just as the Chinese people don’t think that the yuan and Qing dynasties can’t represent China, the Mongols and Manchus are part of the Chinese nation. The Chinese people think that the yuan and Qing Dynasties are part of Chinese history. The ancient Chinese did not call their country China. Ancient Chinese people like to call their country “zhongguo”, which means the middle kingdom to distinguish other countries.
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There must be some truths…I mean devs are not that dumb to completely overlook an important piece of history about India if they are going to include India. Plus, don’t get me wrong, but most governments in Asian countries do manipulate history books (which is true for us Americans too, so don’t think I am defaming your people for being fooled by your government).
Just treat it as a game. Don’t waste your energy on this guys. Trust me, not worth it. Maybe somewhere down the road, there will be other sects of India.
But as far as I know, India (or Delhi Sultanate) might have units from other Indian Kingdoms too (Just like how it was in AoE 3). C’mon celebrate how diverse you guys are!!!
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Rajputs emerged in India in the 7th century but they did spread to other parts by the 11th century. I do’nt think you know anything about the Kangra dynasty, Kannauj, Gwalior kingdom, Bihar’s Rajputs etc.
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Devs are certainly no historical “geniuses”. That’s pretty evident from so many mistakes in the other AOE2 games.
As for history, its pretty easy to distort it when only thing you have is “verbatim evidence” and not archaelogical (which india has pathetically few) as suppressed records etc are not taken care of (essentially taking one person’s word over another)
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Mistakes in other AoE games are irrelevant. AoE IV is being made by Relic who have never made an AoE game before.
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That is true. Not sure about the second paragraph since I only know India as I am taught here in the USA. But appreciate you sharing good information with me.
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So Vijayanagar empire is perfect example of hindu Kingdom and its present at the time of delhi sultanate
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Muhammad bin Qasim who launche attackes on Sindh after conquering Sindh he converted people to islam at the point of sword,he take women as slave ,and after that islam is starting spreading in india
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Hopefully we get Cholas later cus I really enjoy naval battles
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Only Hindus can represent Indians!!4!!444!!!
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There were Samanids, Ghaznavids, Khwarazmians and of course the Safavids…
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To summarize:
Civs to add: Marathas (slightly later) Cholas (earlier range) and Vijaynagara (perfect timing) controlled vast parts of India during this time period.
There will probably be gunpowder and frigates in this game (1600 onwards) so we can also include the Marathas (which ended the Sultanate but disintegrated to Mughals but then re-emerged from Mughals to die to British Raj).
Reason why Akbar and Mughals kinda worked in AOE3: The reason Mughal Emperors like Akbar was a Good choice in AOE3 was Akbar was more tolerant of the native Hindu population. Akbar’s Religious Views and His Policy towards Hindus (historydiscussion.net)
In addition the civ had elements of all of its cultures and wasnt strictly one culture (Mughals): sepoys, rajputs, elephants, hinduism, dharma, shivaji’s tactics(marathan commander), urumi (tamilian), etc.
Why Delhi Sultanate in AOE4 is so divisive: Delhi Sultanate (is strictly ONE culture) raped, pillaged, and murdered native populations to spread Islam. This would anger anyone… This is like if in a game France was represented by Nazi Germany for the time it held France. Obviously Delhi Sultanate held Delhi for longer but outsider should understand how India in AOE3 went from this umbrella representative civ with a tolerant leader to suddenly a narrowed Islamic representation.
Also only held a piece of North India for most of its rule:
To everyone saying Delhi Sultanate /= India - I mean what? The game has always painted civs with broad brushes and used 1 civ to represent continents almost. They knew their crowd?? They knew the perception/response it would have. It would be nice if they released an “Asian DLC” with Vijaynagara, Delhi Sultans, and Persia.
Why all this ruckus? We have 0 reassurance that we will get another civ. Thus everyone is debating why they did this civ. If its 500-1500 - then representing the birthplace of the three huge religions of the world (Hinduism, Jainism, and Buddhism) - its awful to include the pillaging, raping, and barbaric foreign invader sultanate that burned every idol or book and enslaved father, mother or child it came across that wasn’t muslim The treatment of the local population was that of almost slavery. So yes modern Indians from all religions wouldn’t be too fond of this new civ being added. Its almost if Rape of Nanjing or German Occupation of France was a civ to represent China or France. Persecution of Hindus - Wikipedia
The Delhi Sultanate’s Treatment of Hindus (e-ir.info).
TLDR: I have no issues with the Delhi Sultanate being in the game (it is part of the history). I have issues if its the ONLY Indian civ in the game - That would be disingenuous in representing India. Adding in Rajputs, Cholas, and/or Vijaynagara empire is not only time period relevant but also adds many campaigns /can re-energize the base /unite us all around AOE4.
Sources/Further Learning:
Vijaynagara: Rise and Fall of the Vijayanagar Empire | History of Medieval India - YouTube
Cholas: That Time an Indian Kingdom Invaded Southeast Asia | Rajendra Chola and the Maritime Chola Empire - YouTube
Marathas: Who were the Marathas? Rise and Fall of the Maratha Empire explained (Documentary) - YouTube
Rajput States and all of India: The History Of India : Every Year | Mughal Sultanate Vs Maratha Empire Vs Sikh Empire Maps - YouTube
This drum has been beaten to death in two forums. The devs know this by now or should. Let’s hope the devs care about proper civ design in Aoe4. Best of luck folks!
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That’s not Islam or any other religion. And Delhi Sultanate represents itself not India.
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Except that both of these events happened during the last hundred years and not about 500 years ago.
I really don’t understand this way of thinking. The things that happened in the middle ages are history. They are that long ago, that they aren’t really tied to the way things are today. So why feel offended? There were a lot of murders and a lot of rape during these times. That is just past of how it was back then.
Also as @HolyProtoss stated. The Delhi sultanate is not in the game to represent modern day India. It is simply representing itself, a huge empire during the middle ages.
None of the civs represent modern day country’s. That is just a wrong way to look at it. All of the civs represent themselves and nothing more.
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For western Hemisphere 500 years is long when you have shorter history , for most of the Asian civs their history is wayy longer, and there is much more cultural impacts that cant be summarized here otherwise this reply will be out of word limit
Delhi Sulatanate is not the most optimal choice the dev had , they could’ve gone for any native Indian civs but they chose a very odd/least priority/controversial option
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People died at every war but saying that raping etc. in the name of any religion is not right. When I search about Delhi, there is no such things. History is twisted by many people.
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Delhi has always been under attac and the entry point for all invaders ! India being one of the only place that everyone wanted to invade, most of the attempts were thwarted but few of those invasions succeeded too, battles usually didnt happpned in delhi coz it was the seat of power, but the continuous greed of middle eastern, central asian and western power to loot India has always been real since very long, and youll find proof of that in any time period
Indeed
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Because of this war. Otherwise, we would not be able to get truly large campaigns in AoE IV, a new game with just a few civs at the moment. It is fitting that the events which lead to the foundation of the largest* empire this planet has ever known takes center stage in a game called Age of Empires.
*: Contiguous land area
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