Vlad tepes (Dracula)campaign

Im not much of a campaign player, because this is the best multiplayer game ever made but hear me on this. We have Order of the dragon. We have the otomans. Why not recreate the historical battles of Vlad the impaler??? Aka Dracula. Im sure people would love to see that part of the history in action. Here is what I know: a turk merchant/ambasador was sent to negotiate with Vlad, when on his way he met a peasant working on the fields. He asked which way into the castle??? The peasant pointed. Is it beyond the forrest. The peasant replied there is no forest sir those are criminals of the state. As the turk got closer he noticed that indeed those were people impaled on long spears some of them still alive. Ok so I realised that this example is too dark for aoe4 but we can focus on the battles instead. Maybe introduce new unit vampires :))))))))

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In the Ottoman campaign they can be exist yes.

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As the enemy that impales them, yes.

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Bro we cut his head off and put it in the middle of market so everybody can see it.

Yeah, well Wallachia wasn’t an empire, it was a small country, but Vlad was punching way above his weight. He won many battles against Ottomans when they were more numerous. In one of them he was supposedly outnumbered 8 to 1. Then there’s that legend with the forest of impaled Ottomans that scared the sultan back to Constantinople lol. There’s a reason history remembers Vlad and not that sultan. He was ruthless.

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First Ottomans put vlad to wallachia throne he had no power,second he used Ottoman troops to take control,third he acted like ally to Ottoman army then backstab them he was actually sultan’s childhood friend but he turn out to be little sinister piece of smthing.He impaled innocent people and Ottoman army saw this battle after that he defeated and run like a little coward later it captured and beheaded.He was evil sinister backstabber little guy.

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He was one of the abducted children, that was raised by Ottomans to inherit the throne in Wallachia. They thought he would side with them. He had other plans. I wouldn’t call someone like that a coward.

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He got the same education with sultan and they were friends.At max dracula campaign should be like yes Ottoman army saw the impaled people but after that he got defeated and runaway.
If you are a fan you can watch the Rise of Empires: Ottoman season 2 for vlad story.

I’m not a historian, but this is what I found on the subject: “Unlike his younger brother, who eventually converted to Islam and became a loyal Ottoman ally, Vlad hated the Ottomans for keeping him prisoner and for what happened to his family. This hatred fueled his later brutal war tactics against them.”

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He was kinda prisoner but he treated like prince and educated same as the sultan.They were friends with sultan.Until he started massacaring everyone including his own people.European resource dont know everything or they change somethings to their liking.

Be careful with that series.

Rise of Empires: Ottoman 2 is full of errors and narrative conveniences. Besides, it’s made with the Ottomans as protagonists instead of the Wallachians, so it’s obvious it’s going to make them look bad. I watched it, beggan very well, but as it progresses, it ends up becoming an anti-Wallachian campaign and even promoting Radu as a righteous man instead of the political puppet he was.: damn Radu! They paint him so handsome and loyal, but upon returning to the throne, the first thing he did was give privileges back to the corrupt boyars and give children to the Ottomans for their army (the devshirme system), but of course, the series doesn’t tell you that.

In fact, Wallachian historians consider the series an insult to Vlad’s history. Here in this video is the criticism of the series, it’s in Wallachian, but the automatic translation helps:

Vlad was a “Prisoner” of War of the Ottomans. His father traded him and his brother to the Ottoman Sultan to achieve peace. Already raised in Christianity, he was forced to live at the Ottoman court and watch Mehmed conquer half the world.

Mehmed II was never Vlad’s friend; he was his captor and his father’s enemy. When he came of age, the Sultan believed he could trust him as a vassal of the Turks. However, Mehmed had also shown Vlad the cruelty with which the Ottomans treated all conquered peoples, both through the fall of Constantinople, the Dershive system, and the Ottoman tradition of the Sultan killing all his brothers before ascending to the throne. This deeply impacted Vlad; and when he was able to escape Mehmed’s command, he did so to protect his own people from the Ottomans.

He led a resistance movement in Walachia against the Ottomans, establishing order through a very harsh law against crime and through fear. Fear would be his weapon against his enemies and the strength of the country.

Note: By the way, he never used an army of zombies or lepers. I also thought he did, but that channel explains that it wasn’t; it was just another part of Vlad’s dark legend.

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You mean in Romanian. :grinning_face:

First of all in this show vlad is very smoothed to atract western audience too its far worse in reality.Ottomans never did massacares like that everything you know is a lie.Ottoman army such a great such a just army.One day army is going near the grape farm.One of the soldiers got hungry and eat some grape from there and then put a sack of gold in return.Forget the history they teached you murderers,genociders,barbarians all was europeans.

DevĹźirme system is a necessary system and it had rules.For example they dont take children if its the only child or it has profession.They took the children which have nothing,have no future and later some of them rise to high ranks in Ottoman empire.Why this was necessary while the Turks figt for their safety they werent going to do anything there is no such world.This way they contributed by the most humane way to empire.You cant see that in european empires they killed everyone if its not same with them.

Vlad killed lots of wallachians too.

Thank you for playing, but no.

I’d suggest you correct your English; the first paragraph is completely incomprehensible; although I assume it’s derogatory due to certain swear words.

Second, your conception of the devsirme seems taken from an Ottoman apologetic speech instead of truly describing the real system, deliberately ignoring the situation that created them: The Ottomans literally invaded other Christian kingdoms, such as Bulgaria, the Byzantine Empire, the Venetian colonies, etc., and after plundering them, using irregular troops (Akincis, Bashi-bazouk), the war orphans and people in precarious conditions, now dominated by an Ottoman viceroyalty, of course, they had to hand over their children if they were promised better conditions. But who put them in that precarious situation in the first place? The Ottomans; the joke tells itself.

Saying that Vlad killed Wallachians is unnecessary; I don’t even know what the point is, ¿is it a provocation? It has nothing to do with what I wrote, so I’m not going to pay any attention to it.

Take care.

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Could be.

But we’d need a civ called Wallachians first.

The Order of the Dragon doesn’t really have ANYTHING to do with the countries that joined it; which makes it very difficult to represent historical battles.

There’s a misunderstanding about who joined the order:

  • It was Vlad’s father, i.e., Vlad II “Dracul” (The Dragon), who joined the Order of the Dragon.

  • Vlad III Draculea, nicknamed “The Impaler,” was not a member of the Order, but out of affection, because his father was proud to be in the Order, he inherited his own surname (Dracul → Draculea).

On the other hand, Wallachia existed long before Vlad; it was originally a colony of the Kingdom of Hungary, but in 1290, it became independent in its own kingdom, with Radu Negru as its king. They achieved this because the Kingdom of Hungary was experiencing a population crisis caused by the Mongol invasions and was unable to guard its borders.

Characteristically, even before Vlad, they always resorted to “guerrilla tactics” to defend themselves from their enemies, taking advantage of the mountainous and uneven terrain in which they lived for their tactics.

I actually have a concept in mind for Wallachia, but I always struggled because I didn’t know if it could have Moldavia (its neighbor) as a variant. Now, with the new changes to variant terminology, it could.

About unique units:

  • Mountain Archer - Archers who can also enter stealth.

  • Calarasi - Light cavalry trained in hit-and-run tactics, with the ability to enter stealth.

  • Brave Men Swordsman - Heavy infantry with high speed, less armor, but with stealth capabilities. They have the Bloodrage ability, increasing their attack with each attack, up to 5.

  • Boyars - Originally, boyars, like the French, English, HRE, Poles, etc., were supposed to act as a substitute for knights and men-at-arms. However, they became corrupted over time, becoming more like landowners who didn’t work and even conspired to install a king who would grant them even more privileges. Vlad temporarily reformed them and wiped out the disloyal ones, making them act like heavy cavalry again. Like their AoE2 counterparts, they would have good armor and HP, but were very slow (because they were weak, and I’m not kidding).

Unique Building:

  • Bloody Pallisade. A special palisade, with people impaled, causes a speed and attack speed debuff to nearby units. It costs “bodies,” the fifth extra resource for Wallachians (I’ll explain how to obtain them later).
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No swear words there.Im trying to say how they made vlad looked good and the moral code of Ottoman army they can even steal a grape.

Yes thats how it should be they were the enemy and they treated far better compared to ignorant,barbarian,evil european nations.

Yes the Ottomans conquered everyone in their path without killing anyone…

Since we’re at Wallachian rulers, read what the Ottomans did to Constantin Brancoveanu and his children. In 1714, which is quite recent.

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If they wanted they could have eradicated everyone like mass murders europeans did.

Yes i looked its brutal he deserved but not his kids shame.If he had the russian support he was going to do massacare maybe holy justice found him and his children.

They were extorting the countries they were conquering, and taking children from their families whenever they needed to boost their Jannisary troops.

I don’t know what massacre you think this prevented, but anyway the Ottomans executed Brancoveanu and his 4 children because he was a good diplomat and wanted balanced relations with all neighboring empires, while the Ottomans saw that as him undermining their authority. They executed his children in front of him, except the youngest, who was 14 yo and was forced to watch his brothers and his father being executed before his turn came.