So if a pure 15 HP is not good how about: Bloodlines gives 10/15/20 HP in Feudal/Castle/Imp age
Idk if we can change bloodlines by now…
IMO the solutio would always have been that scouts and CA only get half the effect (+10 HP).
But Franks ofc can be tweaked by just a slight adaption like severeal proposals here saying (with possibly some compensational nerfs on other ends) 25 % instead of 20 % could be enough. And I calced that for most feudal unit interacitons it actually means that franks scouts can take 1 more hit, which is a huge difference already
what i try to refer to is that it is probably easier to adjust franks a bit instead of changing a tech that is embedded in so many civs for so long now and could have major consequences to change on a lot of other ends - that’s too much for just trying to “fix” franks
The reason I ask is so Franks have a true edge in Castle Knight fights that makes the bonus feel worth not having bloodlines
The simplest solution is to give Franks Bloodlines and rework the HP bonus.
Dude…what the hell?
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Not a bad idea.
I don’t think they can have more than +10% HP with Bloodlines. 130 HP knights, 196 HP paladins, 86 HP light cav, and heavy CA sound legit. At least the cav civ would no longer have worse knights and light cav than even the Portuguese.
I’d still favor nerfing the other paladins, though.
hm… maybe that can work, +10 % + bloodlines…
But it would massively change the identity of the civ that’s for sure. I much more prefer if they would maintain their mainly heavy cav focus.
Perhaps just let the bonus apply to only the knight-line and reduce it to ~10% to ~12% or perhaps +10/15/20 to knight/cavalier/paladin.
Why only the knight line?
They already benefit more from +10% HP and Bloodlines due to their higher base HP. Some other cav civs get Paladin on top of Hussar, good CA, Bracer, and Ring Archer Armor, while the Franks get none of those.
Why can’t the Franks even have better light cav than the Portuguese?
Because Franks are meant to be a heavy cavalry civ. Maybe they could lose Husbandry instead but, well…
Is your opinion same on the Savar?
Yes. I have never planned to ask removing Paladin from Celts.
But Paladin is a French thing. Persian can’t get Janissary because Iran and Turkiye are close.
No replacement? I think Byzantines deserve to have a heavy cavalry with good pierce armor.
And that was a terrible balance without the Halberdier in the game.
I second that but just like Savar, Heavy Cavalier and/or all other Paladin replacement should be close to generic Paladin.
I guess all the western european civis celts franks teutons spanish burgundians can have the current paladin as french knights were active in these regions in some capacity.Byzantines could also count as using european mercs or crusaders.
Other like the magyars huns cumans and lithuanians could get its own versions but do we need those?
Hero Kestutis skin can be used with a new icon for the lithuanian paladin and huns cumans magyars could get a shared skin as all three factions overlap in hungary.
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It is the language/dialect of Provence, the region in southern France right by the sea. You’ve no doubt heard of it.
In Italian, they translated it as “Cavaliere (=Knight ) → Cavaliere Scelto (=Knight who distinguished himself in battle) → Paladino (=Paladin)”. I think they must have come up with something similar for the other Romance languages as well.
Yes, from the Latin “caballarius” = hourseman.
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Any non-Frank Paladin that is stronger than the Burgundian one is not okay and never will be.
Even the Savar should have been closer to the Burgundian Paladin, not the Spanish or Magyar one.
Kinda. Since we are now stuck with it I wish more civs could have it because why waste a normal unit line upgrade on one civ? It also complicates most civs if just tomorrow every civ had their Paladin upgrade changed and got a suddenly worse or better alternative with no big changes… and when does this end? Does the militaia line change because not everybody had a long or greatsword?
Why now 27 years later is the fact that not even 20% of the civs have this unit or an alternative?
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Tbh, I don’t think Savar is that necessary especially after Sicilian Cavalier.
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Had they had toggleable regional skins, they could have kept the Persian Paladin.
It wouldn’t solve the Franks’ issue though; making Paladins / Savar more common would only make it worse.
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I think the issue is most pronounced in Castle Age is when Franks have 0 bonus vs a civ with bloodlines other than the lack of expenditure on the technology.
Here is a dumb idea why not give the teutons a uniqe building to train crusader knights tks and other crusader units so we dont have to change the original civi.
I usually don’t like replacing a generic unit with something that’s only superficially different.
But the Crusader Knight’s skin is too cool to waste. Not sure what to do with it. I’d prefer it to have a weaker Paladin either way, just like any non-Frank Paladin that’s stronger than the Burgundian one.