My vote for major god would be Apophis. I think he would be a great addition to the pantheon since he fought both Ra and Set. I also think him being related to darkness, chaos and fire would give him plenty of cool options to work with for unique major god benefits and god powers. I’m not sure what minor gods I would want though (other than Bast because of eclipse). I do want Hathor since she was already in the game.
Wasn’t Apophis just a big serpent without a back story apart from fighting against ra? Why should he have minor gods who are not connected to him at at all like Hathor.
Nyx would be a better candidate to represent dark forces in AoM bacause it’s far more similar to a god.
Nyx is Greek… most major and minor gods are not really connected anymore then just being in the same pantheon. I like Apophis because he is the evil guy that can rival other major gods. The only one that compares is Amun Ra but he kinda fills the role of Ra. So I don’t see the need to add him.
I’d say there is a strong chance that the Ammit and Serpopard will be some of the MUs. Egyptian mythology is a bit different, because it doesn’t seem to have as many clearly define/ described mythological creatures as other mythologies. These two are some of the few that are and they are very well know/ synonymous with Egyptian mythological creatures.
I personally would rather like to see either Nut or Khnum as major gods.
Minor gods:
I would like to see Babi as classical age god, Hathor as new heroic age goddess and Ma’at as mythic age goddess (with Ammit as the myth unit)
AND i really REALLY would like to see Apophis as the titan instead of the “Horus-Bird”:
If I had to guess what they’d pick I’d say either Amun or Khnum as major, not sure about classical, Hathor for Heroic, and I agree, Ma’at would be a strong choice for Mythic as she’s strongly associated with a unique and recognisable myth units (Ammit). I’d honestly be okay with these choices, so long as 1) Hathor is included and 2) the classical age god is an interesting choice (such a a god with an animal head) and not some random.
I’m not very knowledgeable about Egyptian gods, but I think Amun is a poor choice given that in the Late Kingdom he was combined with Ra and even depicted as such. And separating what was original and what was added after the combining will be very difficult. Consultation with several experts is needed. Therefore, I think it’s better to choose another god for major god.
I have said it before in a previous thread, I don’t want Hathor as a Major or New Minor God. We already have her, the developers have clumsily just added Sobek over her.
It is EQUALLY absurd for those who use the Legacy Diety Portrait Pack if Hathor is used as a new Minor or Major god, as it is to those who don’t if the developer adds Sobek again. You (everyone here) MUST acknowledge that.
Egypt is a very rich Pantheon, which credit to Kjohnhayes for doing the research and effort of putting all these different gods in the poll and the poll itself. But Hathor or Sobek as any new god, Major or Minor MUST NOT HAPPEN. There are plenty of other gods to choose from, we can’t add Hathor or Sobek. It will be confusing AND lame.
Obviously it’s fine if Sobek (Hathor) is the legacy choise in Heroic Age, assuming GP, Petsuchos+Roc and the Techs fit the 4th gods playstyle in question of course.
How is that an issue exactly? They could very well re-introduce Hathor with a brand new portrait, new myth unit and techs AND give her access to her legacy portrait, which Sobek wouldn’t have access to anymore. Problem solved.
You are making a separate DLC, depend on another separate DLC (that already is reviewed as “Overwhelmingly Negative” btw) while stepping on the feet of people who still has the nostalgia for the original game, but play Retold becease it’s qualities still outranks it’s missteps.
It’s also less of a selling point, “Here have THIS God AGAIN”. Old schoolers are gonna have an anyerism over that.
If you still don’t understand, reread this paragraph:
Applying it to your own quote:
How is that an issue exactly? They could very well re-introduce Sobek, new myth unit and techs just RETRACT that he was ever was a Choise for Ra and Isis, and give Hathor a new updated Retold Portrait. Problem Solved.
I do think Sobek makes more sense than Hathor the place he currently inhibits, but I still disagreed with the developers putting Sobek over Hathor, leading to the clumsy “Sobek (Hathor)”. Becuase originally the developers did the decision to put Hathor as the Choice and represented Sobek with the Myth unit the same way Bast, Nephtys and Thoth have technologies refering to other Gods/Entities: Wepwawep, Ma’at and Apendemak respectively. Why not exchange those in Retold? Becease that would be stupid, if you agree then you understand what I think of the change of putting Sobek over Hathor the way the developers did in Retold. The current compromise MUST remain or else it will enrage a part of the fanbase.
The decision is not a good one, I don’t blame you for being excited over the Idea of Hathor getting the Respect she DOES deserve. But bad and awkward decisions have already been made and they CANNOT BE UNDONE. But you can prevent future ones.
Luckily, PROBLEM SOLVED already () the Egyptian Pantheon IS big enough to give more choises for gods who do also deserve respect.
I voted for both Geb and Nut, maybe only one of them makes the cut as a Minor god and the other is a Tech referense, it’s FINE, there is still WAY MORE choises of interesting Gods, but Hathor or Sobek cannot be picked, beceause they are ALREADY THERE.
I do understand. That doesn’t mean I must agree with you.
Also, in order to clarify: I don’t mind if they do not re-introduce Hathor. I’m just saying that it’s 100% feasible and isn’t as much of a problem as you want it to appear like.
Now, as for your argument of “DLC, depend on another separate DLC”, care to explain? I’ll help you understand. If you decided to buy the DLC, the new Hathor would get a new portrait and her legacy one. But, if you don’t buy the DLC, then Sobek would keep the legacy Hathor.
I don’t agree that we don’t need Hathor and I don’t agree that we already have her. I don’t think she’d suit a Major god in hindsight, there are others that are better suited. But I would like her as first pick for any of the minor gods (personal opinion). The game is a remake of the original AoM, not a sequel. Remakes should include the original material as a base. And yes there’s some nostalgia in that, but that’s also who this game is being marketed to. It’s always nice to add to the base game with new things, but end of the day 47 of the Gods in the game are copy paste from the original. One more wouldn’t seem out of place. Plus, she’d be new anyway since they gave her power, techs and MUs to Sobek.
Do you have a solution then to her legacy portrait? Becuase I really can’t find a way to do that without a way that someone ends up dissatisfied over, which is a risk you REALLY want to avoid when you’re trying to sell something.
The only last solution I can think of that hasn’t been brought up is: The new Hathor doesn’t have the legacy portrait, period. If you use the legacy on Sobek (Hathor) there is New Hathor and Old Hathor and just accept the confusion, fitting from a historical point of view with there being multiple interpitations of the same god, but awful from a design view. Casters in tournaments can just call Sobek (Hathor) Sobek (Hathor) or lampshade it.
I’m not being a partypooper for the sake of it. I’m trying to be realistic and I can’t find a way to square this circle. Sorry if I sound like a broken record. Becuase even if you don’t consider Hathor “in” yet, a fraction of unknown proportion of the audience do.
I’m not sure I understand the issue with the legacy portrait? I would expect the Hathor legacy portrait gets moved to the new Hathor and Sobek has no alternative portrait. And Sobek and Hathor become two completely separated Gods by name and image.
And precisely that, would be a problem for some old-schoolers. The ones that still thinks Hathor is a Minor God option to the Heroic Age for Ra and Isis. This is the position I call “Erasure”, beceause you are erasing the legacy of the original game. It might just seem like another change like any other to you, but it is a much bigger one so some of us.
You are in a way saying, the original developers were wrong to put Hathor specifically there, that it obviously should have been Sobek and not Hathor who get access to Petsuchos. Why did they do it originally? Maybe it was to get more different gods represented with limited number of Minor Gods, Hathor for herself and Petsuchos to represent Sobek? Nephtys still have access to the Scorpion man, wouldn’t it make more sence for Serqet? But Nephtys is such an integral god in the Pantheon and makes sense as a choise for Isis and Set as sister-wife and (ex?)-wife respectively. There were odd/weird decision made by the original developers that are still being relied upon as this game DOES sell itself to some extent as a remaster (I’m aware it’s more of a inbetween of a remaster and remake, hence “Retold” and not “Definitive Edition”).
And if you do separate Sobek and Hathor. Putting Hathors legacy portrait behind two separate DLCs, the Legacy Portrait and the 4th Egyptian Major God, you have to rip out a piece of an overpriced DLC that is already controversial and insert it dependent on both. That is a blow towards those who begrudgingly bought the Legacy Portrait Pack and dont wan’t other DLC’s. The only way to appease that part of the audience is if the 4th-god becoming free content or free addition to the Legacy Portrait DLC, both of which financially doesn’t make sense, as the Legacy Portrait was part of the Premium Edition, who many bought as convenience.
These are the things I mean when we souldn’t “re-introduce” Hathor. Because these are the second order consequenses and they are messy.
And this isn’t some mods I’ve installed. It is Official DLC. Don’t tell me the sky is green and the grass is blue, there isn’t a way to “re-introduce” her (or Sobek) without causing friction.
The developers definitely didn’t think the whole thing out. It probably would have been better to keep Hathor as she was and add Sobek as a new god with a DLC. Have they ever officially explained why they felt Hathor was so out of place in the original lineup?
) the Egyptian Pantheon IS big enough to give more choises for gods who do also deserve respect.