My vote for major god would be Apophis. I think he would be a great addition to the pantheon since he fought both Ra and Set. I also think him being related to darkness, chaos and fire would give him plenty of cool options to work with for unique major god benefits and god powers. I’m not sure what minor gods I would want though (other than Bast because of eclipse). I do want Hathor since she was already in the game.
Wasn’t Apophis just a big serpent without a back story apart from fighting against ra? Why should he have minor gods who are not connected to him at at all like Hathor.
Nyx would be a better candidate to represent dark forces in AoM bacause it’s far more similar to a god.
Nyx is Greek… most major and minor gods are not really connected anymore then just being in the same pantheon. I like Apophis because he is the evil guy that can rival other major gods. The only one that compares is Amun Ra but he kinda fills the role of Ra. So I don’t see the need to add him.
I’d say there is a strong chance that the Ammit and Serpopard will be some of the MUs. Egyptian mythology is a bit different, because it doesn’t seem to have as many clearly define/ described mythological creatures as other mythologies. These two are some of the few that are and they are very well know/ synonymous with Egyptian mythological creatures.
I personally would rather like to see either Nut or Khnum as major gods.
Minor gods:
I would like to see Babi as classical age god, Hathor as new heroic age goddess and Ma’at as mythic age goddess (with Ammit as the myth unit)
AND i really REALLY would like to see Apophis as the titan instead of the “Horus-Bird”:
If I had to guess what they’d pick I’d say either Amun or Khnum as major, not sure about classical, Hathor for Heroic, and I agree, Ma’at would be a strong choice for Mythic as she’s strongly associated with a unique and recognisable myth units (Ammit). I’d honestly be okay with these choices, so long as 1) Hathor is included and 2) the classical age god is an interesting choice (such a a god with an animal head) and not some random.
I’m not very knowledgeable about Egyptian gods, but I think Amun is a poor choice given that in the Late Kingdom he was combined with Ra and even depicted as such. And separating what was original and what was added after the combining will be very difficult. Consultation with several experts is needed. Therefore, I think it’s better to choose another god for major god.
I have said it before in a previous thread, I don’t want Hathor as a Major or New Minor God. We already have her, the developers have clumsily just added Sobek over her.
It is EQUALLY absurd for those who use the Legacy Diety Portrait Pack if Hathor is used as a new Minor or Major god, as it is to those who don’t if the developer adds Sobek again. You (everyone here) MUST acknowledge that.
Egypt is a very rich Pantheon, which credit to Kjohnhayes for doing the research and effort of putting all these different gods in the poll and the poll itself. But Hathor or Sobek as any new god, Major or Minor MUST NOT HAPPEN. There are plenty of other gods to choose from, we can’t add Hathor or Sobek. It will be confusing AND lame.
Obviously it’s fine if Sobek (Hathor) is the legacy choise in Heroic Age, assuming GP, Petsuchos+Roc and the Techs fit the 4th gods playstyle in question of course.
How is that an issue exactly? They could very well re-introduce Hathor with a brand new portrait, new myth unit and techs AND give her access to her legacy portrait, which Sobek wouldn’t have access to anymore. Problem solved.
You are making a separate DLC, depend on another separate DLC (that already is reviewed as “Overwhelmingly Negative” btw) while stepping on the feet of people who still has the nostalgia for the original game, but play Retold becease it’s qualities still outranks it’s missteps.
It’s also less of a selling point, “Here have THIS God AGAIN”. Old schoolers are gonna have an anyerism over that.
If you still don’t understand, reread this paragraph:
Applying it to your own quote:
How is that an issue exactly? They could very well re-introduce Sobek, new myth unit and techs just RETRACT that he was ever was a Choise for Ra and Isis, and give Hathor a new updated Retold Portrait. Problem Solved.
I do think Sobek makes more sense than Hathor the place he currently inhibits, but I still disagreed with the developers putting Sobek over Hathor, leading to the clumsy “Sobek (Hathor)”. Becuase originally the developers did the decision to put Hathor as the Choice and represented Sobek with the Myth unit the same way Bast, Nephtys and Thoth have technologies refering to other Gods/Entities: Wepwawep, Ma’at and Apendemak respectively. Why not exchange those in Retold? Becease that would be stupid, if you agree then you understand what I think of the change of putting Sobek over Hathor the way the developers did in Retold. The current compromise MUST remain or else it will enrage a part of the fanbase.
The decision is not a good one, I don’t blame you for being excited over the Idea of Hathor getting the Respect she DOES deserve. But bad and awkward decisions have already been made and they CANNOT BE UNDONE. But you can prevent future ones.
Luckily, PROBLEM SOLVED already () the Egyptian Pantheon IS big enough to give more choises for gods who do also deserve respect.
I voted for both Geb and Nut, maybe only one of them makes the cut as a Minor god and the other is a Tech referense, it’s FINE, there is still WAY MORE choises of interesting Gods, but Hathor or Sobek cannot be picked, beceause they are ALREADY THERE.
I do understand. That doesn’t mean I must agree with you.
Also, in order to clarify: I don’t mind if they do not re-introduce Hathor. I’m just saying that it’s 100% feasible and isn’t as much of a problem as you want it to appear like.
Now, as for your argument of “DLC, depend on another separate DLC”, care to explain? I’ll help you understand. If you decided to buy the DLC, the new Hathor would get a new portrait and her legacy one. But, if you don’t buy the DLC, then Sobek would keep the legacy Hathor.
So Sobek (Hathor) legacy portait is Hathor and Hathor (the new one) legacy portrait is Hathor the same one?
or
Sobek is not Hathor anymore to those who have gotten Legacy portrait and the 4th god DLC and those who haven’t the 4th God still have Sobek (Hathor) and referer Sobek as Hathor, while those who have the 4th eggy god must use Sobek (Hathor)?
THERE IS NO NON-CONFUSING SOLUTION. Except erasure of legacy Hathor (Sobek), which WILL step on the toes of old-schoolers. This what I mean that Hathor or Sobek cannot be re-introduced.
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No, no, no, you do not understand. Quit pretend that you do, becuase you clearly do not value the opionion of old-schooler in the slightest (which Microsoft has to).
LMAO please stop, you can’t be serious! You do not know me and for your information, I’ve played AOM since it came out, so I think I can say I’m an old-schooler myself.
Listen, I’m not a fan of “Sobek (Hathor)” either. They should have just named him Sobek or simply leave Hathor as is. They did not, hence my suggestion, but you don’t like it. That’s totally fine. Let’s end this here, please.
I am a part of group B so everyone in B must have the same opinion as me.
?!?!?!
I gave you the benefit of the doubt that your thinking capability was clouded by excitement, I would have been fine with that even. But it dawns on me that you might be person not capable of hypotheticals, please don’t let that be true.
I can admit I was wrong, and my fault here was that I didn’t write SOME old schoolers, becuase I know SOME who won’t be happy with it at all.
So you are in camp Erasure, yuck!
You even completely abandonded your point on DLC depending on another DLC, because you knew your argument didn’t hold? Or beceause you can’t comprehend the second order of consequenses of re-introducing Hathor for the 4th god pack?
Which is what I am with all of these rambling posts ARE trying to warn about, it is going to step on toes. IT SHOULD NOT HAPPEN.
Also, “Let’s end this here, please.” reads as, “I lost the argument, can we agree to a draw?” to me. The answer is: No.
You can admit you are wrong, and you would be a better person for it.
Forgot to comment on this piece of your previous commentary.
I’m glad to hear that, I mean it. Becuase expect it to be the case, I really do think it’s an unwise decision to re-introduce her and I don’t want you (and many other in this thread) to get your hopes up for something, that most likely will not happen beceause of the second order consequense that would happen if it would come to be.
Wait what? You said I did not value the opinion of old-schoolers and I said I was an old-schooler. You need to stop with the sophisms.
Come on now, you must be joking. Please quote me, because I don’t remember saying anything about erasing Hathor.
If you want to see it that way, i’m fine with that. I’ll sleep well tonight. But in all seriousness, the truth is that this debate will never end and it’s totally pointless. You completely dismiss my arguments and you’re using fallacies in order to create false arguments that I never made, and you’re using them to invalidate my opinion and try to prove yourself right.
You should grow up and move on. Or you can keep posting, but I won’t answer. Have a nice day.
This was in referense to “the old schoolers who still considers Hathor a Heroic Age option of Ra and Isis”. I really should have clarified that, the first time around.
This is was what I was referring to:
And analyzing this further, your position seems to be Remove Hathor and replace with Sobek or not touch Hathor in the past, and you would have been fine with EITHER, just not the Weird "Sobek (Hathor). So, I actually have to eat my words and apologise for putting you in “camp erasure” when your position was of what the decision of the past would have been so, with that being said.
Sorry, that was wrong of me. I overreacted and misread your position, I don’t think of your postion being an outrageus position. I will say, I would have been mad at the DEVELOPERS if they DID make the decision to remove Hathor and replace her with Sobek completely (and put nothing in place as Legacy Portrait Pack), but my anger and words towards you was misplaced and unjustified. So, you are correct on this one.
This all is because, the very idea of “re-inroducing” Hathor (or Sobek) IS FLAWED and there is isn’t a good arguement in favor of it, because of all the confusion, dismantling of legacy that MUST follow IF Hathor (or Sobek) is “re-introduced”.
TL:DR for all: This sentence^ is the core of my point of this whole argument.
I had a feeling you never really did understand the argument, but very well. Good night.
) the Egyptian Pantheon IS big enough to give more choises for gods who do also deserve respect.