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Mongols is still based on a nomad civilization.
You play around civ bonuses, unique units, unique techs. Not around the khan.
the khan can’t level up, it doesn’t have a “powerful ultimate ability”.
It was a buff for nearby units, but he is not a hero like Joanne
I actually hate this argument lol. You see the exact same thing when anyone brings up a logical inconsistency or lore-breaking addition to a fantasy franchise. “Why do you care about consistency, there’s dragons?” That’s not how fictional stories work guys, particularly the good ones. Things have to make logical sense even if there’s an agreed susupension of disbelief of certain elements. You all know this.
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Exactly, Playing as the Romans (Byzantines) against the Japanese on the Mongolian steppes is speculative history. It’s similar to comparison and contrast between the Ancient Egyptians and Mayans two cultures that never had contact with each other. Albeit, the former is a game and the later is an exercise down by historians.
In fact everyone knows the logic.
The same people throwing out “you’re using French to fight against Chinese in…” would immediately realize that when they are on the critics side for something else (when the same kind of argument is thrown to them).
But if your goal is to ask others to shut up, who needs logic.
I mean yes it’s different, but I don’t think it diverges from standard gameplay meaningfully more than other civs. A lot of mongol gameplay focuses around movable buildings, unique stone mechanics, lack of defensive structues and lack of farming. Heck one of the most common strategies is to build a landmark that gets to move around the map for a huge combat buff
Devs are taking risk to make age of empire evolve a bit (only a bit because these features already exist in AOM, AOE3 and even AOKTC). People here, judge the book by his cover and I put this point as the best argument against every criticism anybody could write. If the feature is balanced, and following Beastyqt and other pro players it seems fairly tested by the best, i can’t write anything against it even i dislike it because i hope this is gonna act like a turbo for aoe4 to be most attractive to new player. Old #### are old ##### too classic and always complaining that they going back to the elder AOE2 HD.
We all know every game which did not evolve would die ! Now look at the statement in ranked for AOE4, it’s catastrophic. People leave due to the lack of content and exotic gameplay, while the matchmaking is already a disaster (improvement are made, but too slowly).
This patch brings us two of the most wanted civ + a huge bonus : 4 new way to play with new landmarks, techs and units. It’s like a new hope for season 1 player who look the metamorphosis of the base game in a good way.
Nobody have argue about the relic mechanic of mass convert because it’s very fun. Heros should go for the same path.
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You are right but if you call it jeanne darc its not a civ anymore only the ayyubids are variant civ here
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Jeanne d’Arc would at least be thematically coherent. In practice you would play a standard game against the French but there’s a strong unit with a big golden crown floating above her strolling around the map. She would still look the part, she isn’t like driving around in a neon-coloured, tuned-up sports car. The inconsistency is in her gameplay, although that’s only tangible if you’re playing as her.
Yes I get the strangeness of saying “playing as her” in a game about civilizations.
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Why don’t you accept the criticisms that are given to you? why are you afraid and delete the posts, age insiders, why are you afraid?
Her handcannon is absurd
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Everytime I see it, I smile. It’s too big but it’s not a laser gun! If sized down, it could be passable. The idea is silly but it is what it is…
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I still have zero idea what this variant civ stuff is…Are we getting 4 of them and how well they make online ranked?
We can only speculate. But Byzantines and/or Japanese could be OP AF as well, for all we know.
Because it doesn’t make sense to me and it makes the game feel very messy and cheapens the whole feeling of the game.
I would prefer if they work Jeanne D’arc into the original French and make it an alternative path to age up, so we don’t need to have a civ called French then another French civ called the name of a single French person who only lived for 19 years. Then let’s call Jeanne D’arc "Maid of Orleans’ instead of her name, just like ‘Khan’ and ‘King’, so it makes more sense for her to live from dark age to imperial age. We’d still know she’s Jeanne, but it would feel a lot better.
The main issue with the new civs for me is they break the consistency of the game, it’s immersion-breaking. I don’t mind if things need to be historically inaccurate for balancing, but they should be consistent.
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It’s best to keep her separate from the standard French. At least if you can completely exclude her in your games.
Nah it doesn’t make sense just the same, you still get a unit that could live 500+ years. Also the Maid of Orleans didn’t use a bow, didn’t fight with a sword and sure as hell didn’t shoot a handcannon while riding a horse. And didn’t spawn human and equine beings out of thin air. And who knows what the dreaded Ultimate Ability is.
Maid of Orleans could be the name of the civ but it still needs a strong link to the parent civilization, possibly through the UI.
Jeanne d’Arc for sure, the other seemingly don’t break the consistency. And anyway even with Jeanne the core gameplay is the same, you get to manage your economy, recruit the usual troops and research techs. I maintain that immersion can still be preserved by playing custom/skirmish games.
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We literally already have both a French civ in the game as well as a Joan of Arc campaign. Like why do we need more French stuff? We want new content. Also, naming a whole civ that exists from dark age to imperial age after her doesn’t make sense. She was literally French and she died like 3 years after her rise to prominence.
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