People have the right to complain when something is not filling their expectatives, and if so many people have complaints and then they do have low sales (we don’t know that yet), the only info the devs have about what went wrong is what the people say in forums. The silent “majority” who is not in any forum giving their opinion is not useful for the future improvement purpose, they only info they give is bought/not bought.
And no, the devs are not idiots, but they are not perfect, and they are running a business under the umbrella of a bigger company who cares about money and not quality.
Funny… cause I felt actually that these people complaining with so high emotions should cool down a bit.
Until now I understand that’s just enacted to get stuff cheaper/ for free.
And that’s jsut stupid, sorry.
What do you think will happen when Microsoft sees they don’t make Money AND get negative press from AOE2? I think they already don’t make money, they support AOE2 because it was most of the time for them good marketing. You may be indulged to think you can punish the “evil big business” this way.
But the reality is you only achieve to cut the support to the game and it will die out.
Don’t try to fight up against windmills, it’s no fight you can win.
If you complain they game might not sell and die, if you don’t the quality will decline until the game eventually dies. People here prefer to risk it in order to improve quality instead of letting it die slowly with increasingly bad quality.
There’s no guaranteed way to win.
I have no idea what the frak you’re talking about.
Maybe if there is a reasoning behind that you should enunciate that at some point, but it’s all shallow gibblydydoo.
In what segment the “quality decline” is measurable?
But how dare they to make that decision for the WHOLE community? And without actually enunciating their critique so it can be given a feedback IF other parts of the community are content with taking that risk?
And then finally. You’re not taking “a risk” . The way you do it will destroy the franchise. And you’re basically saying here “either you do it my way or I will make your life miserable”. And sorry, but this is the mindset of a 6-year old, not a grown-up person. And I don’t want that to become the decision maker for AOE2, really. I much prefer the current devs.
And the worst thing is, that for the most part it’s still not enunciate what the complaints are actually about. Which makes sense if the goal is just to get it cheaper. But how should devs even fit your “willings” if you don’t really enunciately tell them what you even want?
If you don’t know what the complaints are about, you are not really reading the forums or you are stubborn on your own opinion that the devs are always right no matter what. Why would your opinion be more right that anyone else’s?.
You are not the entire community opinion either, reading: some people like it, many don’t and the silent majority will vote with their wallet in two weeks.
0 new architecture sets since the release of AoE2DE (if we don’t count Chronicles).
None of the new civilisations from 3 Kingdoms have new voice lines. 5 civilisations and 0 new voices???
Though I’m cautiously optimistic that this might be temporary because the DLC has not released yet.
Ok finally some enunciated points to talk about.
I personally don’t care as much about these things. But I see people like that. Especially voicelines as far as I understand are quite expenisve in the prodution unfortunately - so this paired with the reality that most people don’t really care as much about these things it’s understandable they might not be put high on the devs priority list.
All these point seem to me reasonable if you crave mostly only for that to just not buy the DLC.
And ofc it’s good and fair to tell the devs that’s what you want.
It can’t be the reason for that massive lashback in the forums though, that wouln’t be a reasonable response to missing out on these specific points.
If you haven’t looked at all the complaints across the forums, youtube, steam, reddit etc…perhaps you should have before claiming you didn’t know what the complaints were.
Don’t project that to me. It’s YOUR responsibility to make it clear to devs and the other members of the community why you chose such a drastic method.
And yes I have read some in the beginning. There were a few points, most of them completely exaggerated. Some points I even think devs didn’t wanted to do as it has to be released right now. And this is really unfortunate that now the devs have to get a lashback for that. They sit between the chairs there actually.
But most was just shallow accusations, getting personal etc.
And I’m not wasting my time with that sorry. It’s in the responsibility of the critics to enunciate their critic well, not in that of the other community members to seek for points. period.
And i will no stop to go over this in this meta speech. I will ONLY respond to enunciated reasonings here in this thread that you again occupied for your in my eyes unreasonable lashback. It’s off-topic because it doesn’t even have any topic. You just continue to complain to the devs without actually telling WHAT is you’re complaining about. In a thread that is made to say specifically WHAT you like about the new DLC.
I think one of the biggest reasons for the quick and strong lash back was that people had very clear expectations for the DLC.
People were already very confident about us getting to Tanguts for example so people felt like they had something stolen from them.
Losing something you own (or thought you would own) creates more negative feeling then the positive feeling you get from getting it.
Imagine being a child that things their parents bought them the new Switch and then they open the present an it’s a Netgear instead of a Nintendo.
I agree with that.
I can see most of the points but some seem just like trying to find more reasons to be angry.
Like the Traction Trebuchet costing Food. With any other DLC people would maybe be a little confused about the decision but now they try to frame it as a huge deal.
I got that. People interpreted in the few messages from the devs way too much and what they really craved for.
There is a reason why especially from the asiatic community a lot of people wanted tanguts and tibet.
But these reasons behind why they wanted them is also unfortunately exactly why there was little hope they would come. And it might even be that devs actually planned to add at least tanguts.
Also telling in this circumstance is that there is no campaign for jurchens and khitans. That’s a coincidence. And it’s also a coincidence that all games cover Three Kingdoms and NOT the other, more relevant periods/states of modern china.
This is ofc really unfortunate and why I said when it first come up that I wouldn’t touch China at all because it looked to me like a tinderbox. I didn’t forsee this huge lashback, but I enunciated in my very well the issues with such a project.
But that’s the point also. Devs didn’t really told anything they didn’t deliver. Maybe they didn’t make it clear enough (possibyl also because they didn’t knew exactly what would be finally released). The interpretation was more like “you get a gaming console” - “OH I GET A NINTENDO SWITCH!!!” . But it wasn’t actually told, just misinterpreted.
I read “devs lied to us!” But this was just not perfect communication misunderstood, and it almost looked to me like intenionally misinterpreted actually.
Well devs would need to decide whether they want to make it historically accurate or the game being banned in China.
They chose the 3rd way to just don’t release anything that might become an issue. Can you really blame fhem for that?
Do you know how censorship works in China? Well, it won’t have caused any problems to include the Tanguts, Bai or even Tibetans as civs. They are fine.
Or. Hear me out. There are other reasons they didn’t.
Reasons we likely will never know.
But censorship is not one of them. Adding the Jurchens is no different to the Tibetans when it comes to chances to offend the CCP. So the reason was likely something else.
Good point! I totally forgot that bit. What the hell?!