that’s entirely debatable.
because one is a core army unit and one is a counter unit. japanese get 33% faster attacking infantry, yet i don’t see you comparing ethiopian archers to those.
and? they also cost a lot to tech too and aren’t really all that good against archers. they have 1 role. killing cavalry.
turks aren’t a camel civ are they? and if they end up in a mirror camel fight they have cavalry archers.
Hindustanis are very specialized.
they have 1 unit per job.
for taking out cavalry they have imp camels, who aren’t that good against non cavalry.
against infantry they have cavalry archers that are servicable.
against archers they have ghulam.
same with a civ like Gurjaras - they have very specialized units for very specialized roles.
meanwhile other civs have more generalist units that can serve multiple purposes.
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Wrong. Attacking faster does not save you overkill. You need same number of hits, just in a shorter time
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Cav archers die to camels. What is the reason to use cav archers vs camels
Not really. In theory yes, but with micro and numbers cav archers can kill camels ridiculously easy.
Janissaries/HC work as well as long as you can catch up and not inaccurate.
And HC with 2 bonuses.
by expanding the topic, we could also talk about why other civs DON’T get halb even when they have a good gold cav counter. like why Italians do not get halberdiers even if genoese exist like hindu can have halberdier when camel exist? camels are also much more spammable than a regular UU. and hindu have FU hussar and skirms too for trash fights
i mean, i get why it can sound like strange design decisions
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Italians lack halbs because having full trash is unique to Spain
hindu lack only 1 upgrade for their trash, which is dangerously close, and have all other goodies on top of that. they are overall much stronger than spanish infact
again, it’s not to say italians should get halbs, i don’t know about that, but i get why it sounds strange for hindu to have them. i personally think hindustanis atm have too much going for them
Being stronger than Spanish isnt very hard. But still, you cant give Italian halbs
It’s still tied to mirrors. The Italians don’t need halbs to kill their own cav units, so they don’t get it.
i think hindu do not need halbs to kill hindu camels too tough. i mean, you have your own camels, and pikeman do good enough, and also even militia line do good enough, with 0 base PA even FU skirms with pike as meatshield is good enough.
also, having halberdier helps hindu in much more than just mirrors. so, even supposing they need it, is it right for them to have a unit to help them in 1 MU out of like 43 (iirc) while still helping them in the others when they do not need to have that asset?
at the end of the day, hindu are top tier atm, competing with chinese level already, having basically everything at their disposal to hard counter everything you throw at them, a crazy good eco, and FU trash except for 1 tech. it does seem like too much for me…
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I mean shrinking tech trees is quite a lame way to nerf civs especially when said civ already has obvious holes like hindustanis. As a matter of fact it’s almost never needed to nerf civs, and most of the time it doesn’t happen without something else to compensate for it. Main exception to that is the loss of BBC for the Khmer, because they covered their scorpions and eles perfectly, in a way the hindustani halberdier doesn’t get close to. And let’s be real, the OPness of Hindustani is pretty overhyped if you ask me, most nerf proposals are simply too heavy handed for them.
i would personally just nerf the ghulam as it very strong at its role atm, to give the civ a real weakness to archer at least in late game, maybe a bit more expensive. i don’t think its overhiped at all when data shows such a dominance and even pro players say they are cracked
Fully upgraded elite skirms and hussars ring any bells?
True. But then it will be same as Gurjaras mirror, and Berbers mirror as well to some extent. To prevent 3 almost identical mirror, devs decided to give them halb.
Infact they do not need to have the super strong ghulam for that role as well
If you have either/or with bonus damage instead of attack speed, you’re more likely to have overkill.
You also have to take into account though, that with each hit some part of the damage is absorbed by armor, so I would argue in the majority of cases flat out more attack is better.
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