Yes, but only for India we get multiple post like this one every month. Check the title of this thread.
Indias misrepresentation and inaccuratecy is on another level and is of bigger interest, because India is huge, and we got one generic civ.
Igoring the problem won’t make it go away either.
Give India the symbolic celtic paladin (non elite Be) as a step to better the situation.
It is a compromise for all sides:
The Conservative die hards (no changes) ,
the India fan boys (want elite and a bonus),
the historical accuracy people (want to split the civ up),
The meta boys (want the balance to be mostly unchanged)
Me (want some civ have only access to non elite BE for novelty )
You (want op Portugiese caravels)
Yes, we also get posts for Mameluke changes, does not mean they are right.
No, I don’t. I was just saying, if we go for accuracy, then Caravels should be the “be all, end all” ship that they were in the late Middle Ages.
We should also make Chinese start with Platmail, Halberdier, Crossbowman and Archery Ranges buildable from the Dark Age.
And let us not forget that Franks should get Cranequiers that one-shot all light units.
And that Celts should have Reaver Cavalry and the Woad Raider replaced with a Schiltron Pikeman that one-shot Paladins, and gets defensive bonus from nearby Schiltron Pikemen.
And the Spanish should have up to the Harbalest, aswell as a huge Armour and HP buff to their Halbs, to represent the legendary Tercios that even the Turks could not break sometimes.
Let us also have Mesos lose all advanced weaponry and Blacksmiths.
I was just teasing you. Dont take it serous, its a joke.
Please keep the Whataboutism down, thought. We can solve this indian issue right here with relative little effort or atleast better the sitation. No need to drag all problem histrical accuracz in here. One fish at a time.
THe frequency of malelukes changes can not be compared to the years of almost weekly indian topics we get here on reddit and steam. No aoe 2 topic can compare actually, maybe pathing.
Right up until indians fans cry that despite having elephants they can’t use them and their elephants are inferior to other civs.
You might be okay with generic non elite battle elephants but will others? Not even close.
And all the complaints are ridiculously over the top.
You say indians are a huge civ representated wrong and not accurately. What about Chinese, where is their gunpowder? And how did such a big population of the world get ignored on the campaign front
Dude, they gave Paladins to the Huns, a culture that went extinct before Charlemagne knighted the first Paladin ever!
And Goths miss Paladin, when in fact they should have it:
“In the Visigothic Kingdom, the Officium Palatinum consisted of a number of men with the title of count that managed the various departments of the royal household.”
What I always found really funny was that the Cumans can train Paladins, i.e. strong, well-trained knights who have no equal in medieval combat, but they only know how to make walls out of wood not stone???
on this matter, chines got bbt right? considering how inferior HC are to anything compared to chu ku nu and FU arbs, it really wouldnt even matter to give them HC. they woyld gain a new fast imp HC strategy for arena thats about it. i think chinese shouldnt have heavy camels. I propose a trade HC for HC.
Cumans like every other civilization are geared towards a playstyle that fits their identity with relevant civ bonuses with additional tech tree / bonuses that add to the civ’s viability. While they of course did not have paladins in real life - they are given them to increase their actual viability without having to make their historical units so strong to offset this.
Their historical focus was on movement of their people which is why they are given aggressive early game bonuses as well as the ability to build a second TC and faster cavalry overall
Separately it doesn’t logically follow that they would have stone walls if they had knights / paladins. The decision to use stone walls is independent of having knights. It’s not like the knights wear stone - and it’s not like the walls are made of metal. If your point is that a civilization that can outfit knights should know how to build stone walls from a general technology progress perspective then fine but the point is that Cumans should be weak to aggression to offset their booming potential with the feudal TC
The Paladin for the Cumans and Huns is because these civilisations had and used heavy cavalry (Sarmatians, etc). The problem is that the d a m n game does not have proper skins for various civilisation paladins. Same way you have European cavaliers for Eastern/Asian civilisations.
okay, first of all, that’s not even a unit, its just a fortification, but i mean if you want to play that game.
“Indians have Elephants already right?”
the fact is though, while you may be happy with them just having generic battle elephants (no elite battle elephants, no upgrades, etc) many others would not. there is evidence of that all over these forums, including the op who has said
so let’s say they take your route and give Indians generic no bonus battle elephants.
how long would it be before people started complaining they had unusable elephants and that their elephants were inferior to other civs?
if you think bout it, any civilization that could build a Castle or a Tower, would automatically know how to build a Wall of Stone.
This just goes to the point that AoE2 is a game, not a simulator, so accuracy gets thrown out the window in favour of gamplay and balance.
That is a Lancer and a Cav Archers. They would not need Paladin to represent any of these, seeing as they get the Elite Steppe Lancer and the Heavy Cavalry Archer.
Just to know your oppinion. What do you, supporters of indians’ change/redeseign, think about removing the imperial camel upgrade? I’ve red many ideas here about what to change in order to allow them to get Battle Elephants (elite or normal), and so far none of those proposals considered getting rid of their camel specialization in order to give the civ a whole new identity but trying to keep their villagers bonus in some balanced way.
PD: I don’t mean deleting Imperial Camel from the game, but rather shifting them to another civ. Saracen, Berber and Malians being the best candidates (with proper rebalance of those civs as well)
Yes even all the civilizations that have steppe Lancers follow this trend. Thus Indians should get both upgrades of Battle Elephants as well, with some unique bonus. Maybe replace the Shatagni research, since it is pretty much useless.
and after your done making Indians historically accurate, should i expect you to fight for all the other historical inaccuracies that need to be corrected?
Yeah in my experience, Indians always loose easily to Meso-american civs/Goths/other Infantry civs. They don’t have anything to counter. The Shatagni research alone is useless. More range means more in accuracy in shots.
