Recent patch changed Jurchen Monk and Monastery from Shaman to Buddhist.
Why?
As far as I know Shaman monk fitted perfectly with Jurchen.
The Buddhist monk on the other hand is overused.
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Only reason I can think of is their later Sinicization, which if so, then I disagree with them on. For the vast majority of the time they were shamanists, which meant the prior skin suited them well.
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I think the same thing, being more based on the Jin dynasty. But that’s an issue for other civs who converted onver the timeline (Lithuanians Vikings Persians…)
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Yeah Jurchens were animist. Not sure what that choice was about. Over-correction perhaps?
I think most Asian civs converted a lot
Also, I wish the current East Asian temple was relegated to just the Japanese (because of the obvious Shinto elemens) and the other civs in the set got a new temple model (though the whole East Asian set suffers from being too Japanese, so a entire set more Sinitic-inspired would be even better)
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Hopefully they will add voices as well in future.
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So they changed the monastery to look worse than it was before by switching it from Tengri to Shinto.
The default East Asian monastery has both Buddhist elements, which I don’t know why the old devs thought was a good idea given at the time it was used by Chinese and Mongols as well.
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On my list of styles to add, the east asian style would be split with the new :
- medieval Chinese : Chinese Vietnamese Jurchens and maybe Koreans
- ancient Chinese : 3K
- eastern Steppe : Mongols & Khitans
Only leaving the Japanese and maybe Koreans with the current style.
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Buddhism is also present in Japan, many Japanese claim to be both shinto and buddhist. And as the east asian style is mainly japanese-based (case in point, the castle…), it’s a japanese style that happens to be used for other east asian civs.
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Your first suggest is correct. The Koreans should have more Sinitic styles than the Japanese style. As for architecture, only Japan has its own distinctness and the others share similarities.
I always say that there are basically two East Asian architectures: the continental style (for China, Vietnam, and Korea) and the insular style (for Japan and Ryukyu). The two have clearly different moods or impressions.
Even those who do not know that much about East Asian architectures would know at least what is Japanese when they look at a random East Asian building. To me, as a Korean, Japanese buildings look absolutely different from ours and ours are actually similar to Chinese ones. (Remember that all continental non-Chinese countries consecutively sinicized by themselves while Japan played as themselves after the fall of the Tang Dynasty of China. This let Japan have the biggest uniqueness or distinctness not only in architecture but also all other cultural areas.)
Sinicizing level: (probably) Vietnam > Korea > Ryukyu >>> Japan
If I were a Westerner, I’d not distinguish which is Chinese, Vietnamese, or Korean, but I’d notice which is Japanese, at the very least.
Considering this, it should be only the Japanese that is to have the current architecture set. The other East Asian civs must have the same set that is based on China.
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After entering the Central Plains and establishing the Jin Dynasty, the Jurchens quickly embraced Buddhism.
In aoe II, the unique units of the Jurchens, the Iron Pagoda and the Grenadier, also emerged during the Jin Dynasty.
It would be more appropriate to replace the shaman monks with Buddhist monks.
How about having the shaman monk in Castle Age then changing to the buddhist monk in Imperial Age to reflect that ?
Could also be done for other civs who converted, Lithuanians for example (pagan => catholic)
Monasteries can also change from the tree/nomad to current one.
Big question is, will Hindustanis get Temple to Mosque or Mosque to Temple?
Only mosque, as they are supposed to be portraying the muslim invaders from Afghanistan, so Delhi Sultanate then Mughals. While the local hindu population would rather be the Gurjaras
As far as I know, the religion of the nomads of Central Asia and East Asia is Tengriism (a polytheistic religion mixed with animism, totemism, and shamanism). Incidentally, the Huns, Xiongnu, Mongols, and Turks also believed in this religion, but the people of that time did not know about its existence. Genghis Khan also believed in Tengriism, but even today, many people do not know much about this myth.
- The bird of prey symbol, a representative symbol of Tengrism.
- The yurt symbol, a representative symbol of Tengrism.
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Historically, Tengriism can be largely divided into Turkic, Mongolian, and Tungusic. Since it is a religion believed in by Mongolian and Turkic peoples, many elements of Mongolian and Turkic mythology and culture are added. It is also a type of celestial god belief, and the supreme celestial god, Hormusta Tengri, is worshipped as the main deity.
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In addition, various movements have been developed in modern times to combine or revive Tengriism with nationalism, such as the AkJang/Burkhanism of the Altaians, the Vattisen Yaly of the Chuvash, the Tengiri Ordo of the Kyrgyz, and the Aiyy Faith of the Sakha.
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Some see the origin of the Dangun myth (foundation myth of the descent of the Son of Heaven) in Korea as the Tengri belief. This is because not only is there a similarity in pronunciation (Dangun = Danggol = Danggolne = Tengri), but there is also analysis that the Dangun myth itself is a tale of the nomads who came down from the north and the indigenous people of the Korean peninsula [at the stage of fusion], so it is consistent.
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For reference, East Asia’s religious views are basically centered on polytheism. Korean shamanism is also basically polytheistic, and China’s religious views, such as Taoism, are diverse, but are usually polytheistic. In the case of Confucianism, from a philosophical perspective, it is non-theistic, agnostic, and meaningless, but in reality, it is ancestor worship, atheism, deism, and anti-theism. In the case of Japan’s Shinto, it is polytheistic based on animism and shamanism.
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However, when looking at the history of Chinese Confucianism, it is ironic that during the Neo-Confucian era, Zhu Xi was influenced by Buddhism and Taoism. In the end, Zhu Xi’s studies had a great influence on the aristocrats of the Ming, Qing, and Joseon Dynasties, and even the Edo shogunate of Japan, but later lost influence, overshadowed by Wang Shouren’s Yangmingism.
We needed a Confucian scholar and Taoist monk added to the game editor like the Pagan Priest added for Lithuania.
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For reference, Taoism is the ethnic religion of the Han people, and is famous for influencing not only mainland China but also Korea, Japan, and Southeast Asia. It is also called “Huangluoism” or “Huangluo School” because it worships the legendary ancient Chinese monarch Huangdi and “Laozi”, one of the Hundred Schools of Confucianism.
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The black clothes worn by the person in front are their everyday clothes, and the colorful clothes in the back are the clothes worn when performing ceremonies.
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For reference, the divine beings of Taoism are those who manage the three highest utopias, and these three places (Yuqing, Shangqing, Taiqing) were believed by the Chinese at the time to be the highest heavens where humans could cultivate the Tao.
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Painting of Confucius (September 28, 551 BC)
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By the way, there is still a debate about whether Confucianism is a “religion”. This is because from a philosophical perspective, it is non-theistic, pursues agnosticism, meaninglessness, and actually advocates ancestor worship, atheism, deism, and anti-theism.
Therefore, to include it in AOE2, we may need to create a unique East Asian institution called the “国子監”.
-Guozijian (China), for reference, was the central government academy after the Sui Dynasty in China and was the highest academic department in the ancient Chinese education system.
- “Seowon” in Korea
Today’s work ends with this story.
("In the past, we learned for ourselves, but today, we learn for others.)
- Confucius’ Analects, Xianwen Chapter-