I really wonder because AEO series are one the most iconic historical rts game and without Turkish statest it looks like history is missing without more than 1000 years of chain empires. I dont want to say civ editors are might dont like Turks but giving fire power bonus to other empires (in game example france) is looks dope and mistargeting the history.
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Its because games engine cant handle the power of Great Turkish Bombards.
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Could it be him, is he back? : D
Joined 10 hours ago…yeah, it’s happening. Hold on to your gyros, boys!
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I know this kind of thread is going to be a meme (and I know the reason) BUT I actually have an opinion on this:
If the “importance and interaction” principle really exists regarding civ choice (which I highly doubt), a more ideal release roster would be:
French
HRE
ERE
Turks
Abbasids
Delhi
Chinese
Mongols
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The thing about firepower bonusses is basically nonsense though. Literally ANY civ could have such a bonus depending on the moment in history you pick in order to argue that this civ had an advantage in this area in comparison to the others.
They will most likely give us the Ottomans the same time as the Byzantine empire as they go hand in hand with each other.
For me personally am okay with only the Byzantine empire if they want to limit the remaining spots for other civilizations as well.
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That’s a historical fact. Another member even proved China, Mongols etc NEVER had Ottoman-style AoE 4 siege bombards or anything remotely close, but were given them in AoE 4 while Ottomans are not even in the game!
This is extremely serious misrepresentation, in my opinion a dishonest betrayal of History, but I don’t blame devs at all. I just sincerely hope devs will be fair and address this in future DLCs. Devs are you with us?
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This. Minor change, but infinitely more fair and genuine to History as a release civ roster.
We should also remember that interesting, asymmetrical civ design is as important as historical honesty. That’s (yet another reason!) why Turks and Byz / “ERE” would be a much better choice here.
AoE 4 could still improve and become a masterpiece, this only the beginning.
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Vlad the Impaler knows this first hand… 11
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Artillery, particularly field artillery, became an indispensable part of any first-rate army during the Italian Wars. During his invasion of Italy, Charles VIII employed the first truly mobile siege train: culverins and bombards mounted on wheeled carriages, which could be deployed against an enemy stronghold immediately after arrival. The French siege arsenal brought with it multiple technological innovations. Charles’ army pulled cannons with horses rather than the oxen typically used at the time.[89] Additionally, French cannons, made using methods used to cast bronze church bells, achieved a lightness and mobility previously unheard of.[90] Perhaps the most important improvement the French made to cannons, however, was the creation of the iron cannonball. Before the Italian Wars, artillery fired stone balls that often shattered on impact.[90] The invention of the watermill allowed furnaces to generate enough heat to melt the iron to be smelted into cannonballs.[91] With this technology, Charles’ army could level, in a matter of hours, castles that had formerly resisted sieges for months and years.
The French can get the best cannons, it’s all the rest of the stuff that they get with it that might be OP
We’ll have to see.
As already stated, it depends on the time within this timeline who had the best cannons.
No idea why they all use the same old bombard model.
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Yeah buy you are talking about post-imperial age. European countries developed after exploration age but AOE4 age range is between dark to imperial and if you put chiness and holy roman empire you should definetly put Turkish stats in game. Its like launching football game without Brazilian footballers:)
PS: I opened this page because Relic’s Dev Team has already made really bad job on Empire Earth 3 with serious game mistakes and also changed historic game to arcade fantasy. So I try to help my all life best game AOE can be better at least not changing the historical facts.
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Italian wars are within the timeline of this game. Also:
The city remained under Byzantine rule until the Ottoman Empire took over as a result of the siege in 1453, known as Fall of Constantinople.
The cast iron cannonball was introduced by a French artillery engineer, Samuel J. Besh, after 1450
and if you are going to give the French the modern cannon and not anyone else, it should be mobile (something they did in that you don’t need to deploy), it should be better against fortifications (removed for balance? Everyones bombards are very powerful against buildings), and they should be decent against massed troops as well (something they didn’t do). In reality they punched a hole though columns of troops, bouncing on impact, not shattering. Instead they gave the French the organ gun to use against troops, which just makes the English feel less unique and more generic, when they invented the Organ gun.
And now it’s difficult to buff the organ gun, because the civ with the best artillery also has them, and they have the option of a landmark that makes them 25% better as well… And without a buff, I don’t see it being used by the English, the civ that invented them.
Not including the Byzantines and Turks sounds like DLC to me
The Mongols had a lot of Turkic and Turk tribes so don’t feel left.
I would say, instead of the Chinese (since they didn’t exist in the 12th to 19th century as they were conquered by the foreigners like the Mongols, Manchu’s etc), they should have added Turkic Empire.
Chinese didn’t exist in the 12th to 19th century, they were under command of foreign rules such as the Mongols and the Manchu. Both the Mongols and the Manchus are descendants of the Hunnic Confederation (The Huns are the ones who separated from this confederation and simply traveled to Europe, the rest stayed in the heart of the East Asian steppe so don’t be confused).
Add turks and leave out the biggest market in the world?
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In the current situation yes!
Its regime ain’t ethical and exalts slavery.
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Here we go again with another Turkish thread, 3.2.1…
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They are just trolls. Don’t mind them 
You guys dont like facts. 
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I get why they wanted to see the Turks in the base game. But it got out of hand.