Tbh people are overreacting to fanfictions. Gatekeeping others’ proposals or preferences here have zero influence on what will come in the future.
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I look forward to Poland-Denmark DLC but for now, I’d really like to see what FE can do with Asia, and it would be a damn shame if we never get to see it. Persia has been requested since the ES days. I don’t get too hung up on factions myself, as long as they’re fun to play that’s all that matters to me. Malta, Mexico, and the US proved that. I love those civs.
The fact these debates get so contentious says to me the enthusiasm is as strong as ever.
All I truly care about at this point is the DLCs keep coming. 3DE still has a ton more stories to tell.
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I’m not always being sarcastic. I legitimately think Vietnam is a good civ idea. I’d like to see it done. It’s just weird to me it’s not brought up more often.
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It’s a really stupid argument that being from a certain location means people want a civ from there. I for one would absolutely loathe getting my country as a civ because it doesn’t fit at all.
KotM sold well because it introduced the entire continent of Europe as well as things like historical maps, not necessarily because of the civs. I have hardly played either civ and I still think I got my money’s worth from it. If they had released a civ like Malta on its own it would have lost money. TAR didn’t do quite as well because there’s just a lot less content (half as many natives, mercenaries, and outlaws).
I think it’s safe to assume that there aren’t a lot of Iranian players and yet it’s one of the most highly requested civs.
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I’d rather danes than polish anyway but my personal preference would be morocco or persia.
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AR didnt add maps
It did, as well as scenarios. Almost as much content as kotm. Definetly not 1/2 the content. Besides, AR sold less than mexico or usa. Its clearly not resonating with most buyers. I’m not saying its bad value or justfies not giving nore african civs (id like to see this) but the original poster was arguing why its better not too make another euro civ. Im simply pointing out financially theres more reason to KotM2. Look at aoe2, people added many more minor european dlc and it sold very well before branching out to indians. There sppears to be a high demand for european content and given the
people dont want a civ from their area
Yet people continue to ask for poland a civ with huge impact in europe, not so much on the world at large. Same with brazil, local power. Persia korea often get asked too. Would all be nice additions
Again nothing wrong with wishlisting. No one here after all has to actually put their own time or money on the line to make it happen and enough asks does show some demand. Im just putting myself in a devs shoes, a person whos boss needs rationale for fund allocation and whos livelyhood depends on success, why poland seems pretty reasonable compared to say the mighty nation of tuvalu based on available data.
Just out of curiosity where does such information come from?
TAR is only like 60% the content of KotM. They’re both 2 civs with a comparable number of maps, but everything else is much less. 5 natives vs 9, 3 historical battles vs 8 historical maps, 3 outlaws vs half a dozen, not as many mercenaries, etc.
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Steam charts and sales, steamdb, a few other sites as well
The game has never been European focused nor will it ever be. The main campaigns don’t even play in Europe. Compared to AOE-2, AOE-3 is much more diverse in cultures and civilizations (although the quantity is less, the quality is higher in terms of cultural and historical representation) In addition to civilizations, there are the minor factions that mostly They are not from Europe.
Also, why do you say that the game focuses on Europe? Because of the Knights of the Mediterranean DLC? We have never had official European maps since 2005. Why did they update the 2005 base civs? That was to be expected in a definitive edition. In fact, I think this is how the game should have been released. Apart from the Swedes, there have been no new European civilizations, and it’s not like we’re inundated with European civilizations.
I agree that the game should expand to other places outside of Europe, like Australia and Oceania, or even go even deeper into Asia as you suggest, but that doesn’t mean it should be optional. In other words, if you expand the game to Asia, you give up Europe, if you expand the European-themed game, you give up the rest of the world. I don’t like how that sounds.
Even Central and South America should be expanded, if more civilizations are not feasible, more maps and natives and new outlaws, treasures and mercenaries would do well. I personally would pay for a DLC like this.
I think malt was only introduced to please those nostalgic for the campaign (I love it too, but…). They are not original enough due to a lack of ideas, but rather because there really wasn’t much room for originality. It was basically to make the knights of san juan advance to industrial and imperial. (That’s how I see it, but do not get me wrong, the civilization has interesting units and they have made an effort to make it well done, but even so it lacks originality because it is somewhat forced argumentatively). That is why I think that it is not a valid argument to say “There are no original ideas anymore”.
All European civilizations are similar, and yet there are many obvious differences between them, either in terms of game mechanics, or in historical and cultural plot. Surely something unique can be done with the Poles, as they have already done with the others.
In conclusion, there is nothing wrong with expanding into Europe. That doesn’t mean we have to give up on the rest of the world, just because they give us more European content.
Also, it’s like if you anticipate the facts or try to change the plans of the game development, are you sure that poland will be in the game?
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Well, took a while, but finally someone went masks off and actually used the racist argument.
My man you can’t just say Europe was plain ahead of the rest of the world culturally, even if you use the military and technology argument Poland wasn’t particularly noteworthy other than being a regional power in Europe, it got completely wrecked by Sweden and it never got back from it.
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You can because the very definition of culture is the arts and human intellectual achievements, not to disrespect the culture of any nation but the incas would be far behind the spanish culturally at the time of the game and in pretty much every aspect.
Guys, this is just an opinion why we dont need it.
Calm your horses xD No need to get agresiv in any way.
Man I’m so sick of people teaching others why “we” (meaning you) don’t need this or that. Contents. Functions. QoL. Whatever.
Does that hurt you if something you don’t use is added to the game? No? Problem solved.
This is not balance or bug fixing. You can choose not to buy it. You can choose not to use it. You can manually exclude it as an opponent in pve. You can dodge all pvp games with it.
People sound like things are mutually exclusive. Like there is already a “maximum number of civs” hanging above us since 2005. That is not the case. Then any relevant civ could come sooner or later.
I could wait an additional year for a civ I want. I wasn’t very excited about US or Mexicans. I was very excited about AR and KoTM. There is a 6 month gap between each and I was happy to wait.
Or if you are worried about the order of the release, or maybe the support will end before what you want is added ——then it’s really turning into a business problem and not for you or me to decide.
If the game is in a desperate state and really needs a DLC to salvage it (which I hope not) then it is even more likely to release something that sells better.
If it’s not the case, then wait.
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the incas were well known for their sculpture, agricultural achievements and stone work that still cannot be replicated, what are you on about
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I know I live in the capital of the inca empire for over 10 years, but you cannot compare intellectual achievements of the european empires with those of the incas they were a very primitive society. Sure architectually they achieved incredible feats like the egyptians though not to the same extent yet in almost every other way they lagged far behind european powers there’s just no comparison.
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I am from Latin America and I have not felt offended. He did not explicitly say that Europeans were superior to other races.
What I managed to interpret is that the Europeans fit better within the themes that the game raises:
War, economy, globalization, diplomacy, mercenaries, etc.
No need to be so sensitive, guys.
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My brother in christ who did you think developed all the crops that allowed the European population explosion after the Columbian exchange.
Did you think potatoes grew like that in the wild?
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Basic agriculture that was far behind that of european agriculture doesn’t really qualify as an intellectual achievement.
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Guys, this has nothing to do with polish being in-game or not.
If you want to talk about incan achivements or whatever use #off-topic-forum
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