Regular Hussar already has wings, so what is the meaning of this unit going by the name?
It could have been a civ bonus or unique tech buffing Hussar line without the reason to tag it as a separate unit. I don’t see a reason why it exists?
If this exist then why there is not a separate unit for Kamandaran, Atlatl, Carrack, Sipahi, Arquebus etc. matching the name sake?
Maybe because both Poles and Lithuanians have 2 unique tech and bonus “Your Hussar has +2 extra attack, +4 bonus damage vs gunpowder units, +2 attack vs Monks, +5 HP, + 1 melee armour” doesn’t sound like bonus but different unit. And because Winged Hussar is stronger than normal Hussar, the upgrade costs more.
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Because Poles and Lithuanians needed to have at least sort of the most special hussars, and the Magyars got a pretty special version before.
Probably in part due to historical reasons, as poles were famous for their hussars, so they wanted to give them Something Special.
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because the stat difference is pretty big.
Eventually this comes down to the question of: how much of a stat difference justifies a new sprite/name?
should a viking pikeman with full blacksmith upgrades, more HP and more bonus vs cav have the same sprite as a Tatar pikeman which doesn’t even have the second armour upgrade?
in the end this becomes a judgement call for the game designers/developers/balance team
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Bonus attack is usually not mentioned so the description will be half the length.
They could have sufficed with just the regular Hussar and a unique bonus. What they gave to Lithuanian doesn’t even feel like a bonus without the trample etc.
Going by historical reasons then why the other civs don’t get the same treatment. They all have something special but are forced to be satisfied with only a tech. I have named a few in post 2 of the thread.
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I still think devs missed a great opportunity for a UU for poles.
Winged Hussars could have been the polish Cataphracts with range and extra pierce armor (so they get a total of 6 or even 7 in contrast to the 4 of polish cavalier/hussar).
Instead of bonus damage reduction they could just have gotten some kinda low attack but big bonus vs infantry.
(pierce armor isn’t necessary if lechtic legacy would give the polish hussar some extra durability vs (cav) archers)
If the devs make the regular hussar wingless then I think the existence of that unit will make some meaning. In its current state it does not. The stats change are minimal. Only lechitic legacy makes a change.
Well I definetely agree that some people seem to drink too much Red Bull.
I think we should definetely begin with cutting the Wings of the Winged Hussars, thats probably the best spot to begin with.
Your replies don’t make sense. Read the context of the thread first.
You are not the first guy here to attempt cutting the regular Hussars.
That’s the sense of it.
BTW: I think the model of the WInged Hussars is one of the best in the game. Standard Hussars were already cool, but the Winged Hussars look amazing. I see absolutely no reason why anybody would complain about that…
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They are not medieval to be a uu.
But a regular unit eh?
Pop cultural ref I guess or else the natives will be at war asking for it.
That would be an apt comparisson if almost every civ had already had a unit called arquebusier with the main distinct famous visual characteristic that made Portugese arquebusiers Portugese arquebusiers. They don’t. But every civ does already have winged hussars. So when they came to the actual winged hussar civs they wanted to do something special with it. And this is the form they chose.
(Also, this is just something the devs are doing more and more with the newer civs. The more civs there already are, the more you need to do to make each new one stand out, like the special castles and such.)
And why is winged hussar the ugliest Hussar of the three
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The Polish hussars (/həˈzɑːrs/; Polish: husaria [xuˈsarja]),[a] alternatively known as the winged hussars, were a heavy cavalry formation active in Poland and in the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth from 1503 to 1702. Their epithet is derived from large rear wings, which were intended to demoralize the enemy during charge. The hussars ranked as the elite of Polish cavalry until their official disbanding in 1776.
The hussar dress was ostentatious and comprised plated body armour (cuirass, spaulders, bevors, and arm bracers) adorned by gold ornaments, a burgonet or lobster-tailed pot helmet and jackboots as well as versatile weaponry such as lances, koncerz, sabres, backswords, pistols, maces, and hatchets. It was customary to maintain a red-and-white colour scheme, and to be girded with tanned animal hide. The wings were traditionally assembled from the feathers of raptors, and the angel-like frame was fastened onto the armour or saddle.
The early hussars were light cavalry units of exiled Balkan warriors who came to Poland as mercenaries in the early 16th century. Following the reforms of king Stephen Báthory (r. 1576–1586), the Polish military adopted the unit and transformed it into heavy shock cavalry, with troops recruited from the Polish nobility. The hussar formation proved effective against Swedish, Russian and Ottoman forces, notably at the Battles of Kircholm (1605), Klushino (1610) and Khotyn (1673). Their military prowess peaked at the Siege of Vienna in 1683, when hussar banners participated in the largest cavalry charge in history and successfully repelled the Ottoman attack.
From their last engagement at the Battle of Kliszów in 1702 to 1776, the obsolete hussars were demoted and largely assigned to ceremonial roles.
Hussars originated in mercenary units of exiled warriors from the Balkan region of Europe.[1] Mercenary lancers of Serb origin, known as the Rascians, were frequently hired to counter Ottoman sipahi and deli cavalry.[2] In the 15th century, the hussars based on those of Matthias Corvinus were adopted by some European armies to provide light, expendable cavalry units.[3]
The oldest reference of hussars in Polish records dates to the year 1500, when the Rascians were employed by Grand Treasurer Andrzej Kościelecki to serve under the banner of the royal household.[4] However, it is possible that they were in service much earlier and their contribution was not well-documented.[5] The Polish hussars were originally based on Corvinus’ Hungarian formations,[6] and Poland partly modelled its units on light cavalry in the Black Army of Hungary.[7] As the Ottoman raids on the southeastern frontier intensified, the so-called Rascian Reform (1500–1501) during the reign of John I Albert solidified the role of an early hussar in Polish ranks.
The first hussar formation was established by the decree of the Sejm (Polish parliament) in 1503, which hired three Hungarian banners. Soon, recruitment also began among the Poles. Being far more expendable than the heavily armoured lancers of the Renaissance, the Serbo-Hungarian hussars played a fairly minor role in the Polish Crown victories during the early 16th century, exemplified by the victories at Orsha (1514) and Obertyn (1531). During the so-called “transition period” of the mid-16th-century, heavy hussars largely replaced armoured lancers riding armoured horses, in the Polish Obrona Potoczna cavalry forces serving on the southern frontier.
The true “winged hussar” arrived with the reforms of the King of Poland and Grand Duke of Lithuania Stephen Bathory in the 1570s and was later led by the King John III Sobieski. The hussars were the leading, or even elite, branch of cavalry in the Polish army from the 1570s until 1776 when their duties and traditions were passed on to the uhlans by a parliamentary decree. Most hussars were recruited from the wealthier Polish nobility (szlachta). Each hussar towarzysz (“comrade”) raised his own poczet or lance/retinue. Several retinues were combined to form a hussar banner or company (chorągiew husarska).
Over the course of the 16th century, hussars in Hungary became heavier in character: they abandoned wooden shields and adopted metal-plated body armour. When Bathory was elected King of Poland and later accepted as a Grand Duke of Lithuania in 1576, he reorganized the hussars of his Royal Guard into a heavy formation equipped with a long lance as their main weapon. By the reign of Bathory (1576–1586), the hussars had replaced medieval-style lancers in the Polish Crown army, and they now formed the bulk of the Polish cavalry. By the 1590s, most Polish hussar units had been reformed along the same “heavy” model. These heavy hussars were known in Poland as husaria.
With the Battle of Lubiszew in 1577, the ‘Golden Age’ of the husaria began. Between then and the Battle of Vienna in 1683, the Hussars fought many battles against various enemies, most of which they won. In the battles of Lubiszew in 1577, Byczyna (1588), Kokenhausen (1601), Kircholm (1605), Klushino (1610), Chocim (1621), Martynów (1624), Trzciana (1629), Ochmatów (1644), Beresteczko (1651), Połonka (1660), Cudnów (1660), Khotyn (1673), Lwów (1675), Vienna (1683), and Párkány (1683), they proved to be the decisive factor against often overwhelming odds. For instance, in the Battle of Klushino during the Polish–Muscovite War, the Russians outnumbered the Commonwealth army 5 to 1, yet were heavily defeated.
The role of the Hussar evolved into a reconnaissance and advanced scout capacity. Their uniforms became more elaborate as their armour and heavy weapons were abandoned. In the 18th century, as infantry firearms became more effective, heavy cavalry, with its tactics of charging into and breaking infantry units, became increasingly obsolete and hussars transformed from an elite fighting unit to a parade one.
Instead of ostrich feathers, the husaria men wore wooden arcs attached to their armour at the back and raising over their heads. These arcs, together with bristling feathers sticking out of them, were dyed in various colours in imitation of laurel branches or palm leaves, and were a strangely beautiful sight to behold … – Jędrzej Kitowicz (1728–1804).