Wishlist for artillery of the new update(if it is real)

[PocketWord5915]

We have seen many changes in steamdb,although I really don’t believe the WE will give us a new update,but if this is true,I just have 3 wish and really hope to share with our players.

1.I think the Falconet and Organ gun are too ancient in the late game,and gatling gun is just a kind of machine gun,not the cannon.

So I hope the new update can give European and Federal American a card in age 4,make all those 3 cannons become a new kind of modern cannon.This kind of cannon don’t have limber mode,and their power is similar to the falconet.

This cannon can be krupp 6 pound cannon:

or armstrong 6 pound cannon:

2.The culverin is also too ancient,so I think even if we don’t change the model,we should change the level,it should be “whitworth cannon” for their guard level,just like “field gun” for falconet.

3.Asians artillery are too stereotype,especially for Chinese and Indian(Japanese artillery are so-so),so I think they should be changed.

a.The flamethrower should be Mountain-Splitting Cannon,a cannon don’t have limber mode,the flamethrower is too ancient and already be abandoned.

b.The handmortar should be Weiyuan General Cannon,the real mortar in Qing dynasty

c.The flying crow should be Invincible General Cannon,the real heavy cannon,the flying crow is just a kind of light artillery and too stereotype,but in this game,they are like scud launcher of the Command & Conquer:Generals,lol.

d.For Indian,if they want to keep siege elephant,I agree with it.But for flail elephant,it should be changed in to zarb zan,a kind of cannon don’t have limber mode.

So that is the wishlist of this update,although I still don’t believe the WE,I still hope the update will come true,no matter what it is.

[HoopThrower]

Why would all civs get a super specific german cannon model?

I think ultimately that’s the problem with making the cannons more “modern”. Naming units after a specific manufacturer is so bizarre and I’d say even immersion breaking. Like the moment you train a “Krupp” cannon while playing french you’ll start asking questions.

It’s a terrible way to approach this problem.

Hell, the Krupp company still exists. Do you need to ask permission to use their brand? Would you be liable for lawsuits?

[TheSquidEmpire]

And as goofy as the decision was for Big Huge to make mystic east units for the Asian Dynasties you can understand the motivation to add artillery units that weren’t all just ‘Cannon’. The more modern cannons all look and act pretty similar. Hell even in the base game the culverin is a weird choice and looks unusual, they added it for sure for variety and so the options weren’t just different sizes of iron cannons on wooden carriages.

[PocketWord5915]

But I still hope the European artillery can be more interesting in the late game,most players like a cannon don’t have limber mode.And that can show the technology advance.

And for Asians,I think those new cannons can use cards to unlock.This can give players more choice.

[HoopThrower]

Yeah but adding just “Krupp cannon” won’t fix any of the visual uniqueness to them.

6 Pounders are pretty much the epitome of, well, generic cannon in both design and use.

If you want more interesting and visually unique artillery you should be looking into the realm of, like, Geschwindstücks and Fahrpanzers.

[SvenKuechler1]

No mentire sinceramente hubiese sido bueno ver unidades de Obuses de este tipo y que Rusia tuviera como Obus unico el “Mortero Unicornio”

[Ekdal1378]

Yeah, because no-limber canons havent been a balance concern before….(organs, gutlings cough cough)

[HoopThrower]

I mean, I kinda do have to be harsh when it comes to giving my honest opinion. The proposal doesn’t really have any legs.

Like when you get down to it, the asnwer to “What name would fit the Falconet when you get to industrial era” is… Field Cannon. Which already is the name they get when you get to industrial era.

Bringing Wars of Liberty is also kinda pointless because it’s a mod. We knew we were making a mod. We don’t care about legal issues or whatever, otherwise we wouldn’t have ripped music straight outta the internet and inserted it into the mod lmao. Even then, the Krupp Cannon is only accesible if you explicitly ally with the germans.

Now limberless mode cannons is a completely different topic. There’s nothing about it that screams “modernity”, artillery was still carried by horses into WWII and even beyond.

You basically just wanna give the Iroquois Light Cannon to all civs. Which is, well, that’s just about the single most powerful cannon in the game in terms of cost-effectiveness. I believe it can be balanced but, again, that’s a whole ‘nother topic.

[PocketWord5915]

No,I don’t hope to give light cannon to all civs,it is too all around.But many players like unlimber cannon,so European can have it’s own edition.

I just hope to give a “grapeshot falconet”(don’t have limber mode like the organ gun) to them,but I hope to give it a new model to show technology advance.

I think this can make falconet more useful in the late game.Otherwise it will become completely useless after the horse artillery and heavy cannon comes out.（Just like portuguese,even if the 2 new cannons comes out,the organ gun with grapeshot can still play an important role in the late game.）

[PocketWord5915]

The “grapeshot falconet” (unlimber falconet) is just like this
(of course something is different,unlimber falconet don’t have caseshot mode,but I mean similar to this)