Hello, I would like to know if it is possible to add the Yamato from AOE1 to AOE2, just like they added the Romans. This for a hypothetical future rework of the Japanese and that these are divided into several cylizations, similar to what they did with the Indians in Dynasties of India.
Remember that the Yamato were a civilization that existed from the year 300 to 800 A.D. So they can be included in the historical period of AOE2 that spans from the year 400 A.D. to the year 1500. Also, I want the addition of the Yamato to coincide with the addition of a new campaign for Return of Rome, being the “Yamato, Empire of the Rising Sun” campaign from the AOE1 base game that was missing from ROR.
Now we are comparing Japan with India?
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If only the game already have a civilisation that could serve as decent placeholders for the Japanese.
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Yamato and Japanese are the same, they are a continuous culture.
Even the emperor is literally from the same family (something the Roman Empire rarely managed for more then a hand full of generations).
Though I’d love to see them in Chronicles.
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If you want an early medieval Japan-based civ focussing on cavalry, I’d suggest the Emishi. It would be tricky to find a campaign protagonist (possibly Aterui?) and I think essentially impossible to find an appropriate wonder or castle, though.
They historically existed on the same time period that we would put the “Yamato” in so they would also make more sense in Chronicles. Since they are likely Jomon people maybe Jomon would be the better civ name.
Yamato + Jomon would be an interesting civ combination for an Chronicles DLC.
I don’t think Yamato belongs in AoE2 (not as a separate civ from the current Japanese lmao), but I do think the game needs at least one civ so that a potential Japanese campaign isn’t just mirror match fiesta like every other scenario where you currently play as the Japanese. My usual go-to is Emishi, who were already suggested here.
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It’s now possible to make civ variants for campaigns, notably used in V&V.
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Eh, that wouldn’t change the fact it’s all mirror matches. People already complain Pachacuti is all Incas vs. Incas vs. Incas vs. Incas.
But, is it really mirror if with triggers one enemy trains Huskarls and the other trains War Elephants?
I’m not saying Japanese should train Huskarls or War Elephants, but you can make some 4 o 5 Scenario editor only units and enable them for the AI. You could also enable or disable techs or give bonuses or what not, like, make their buildings stronger with each age or having scorpions with less min range
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By “they” do you mean the Emishi? If so then I’m confused. Chronicles is set in the 6th–5th centuries BC, and will presumably be extended no further than c. 300 AD. The Emishi existed 5th–9th century AD, and their campaign would probably have to be 8th/9th century – that’s definitely within the AoE2 time period, not Chronicles. They’re not the same thing as Jōmon.
The Emishi are very likely descendants of the Jomon people so they are likely the same.
You are right that they are more AoE2 period but the problem is the Japanese in AoE2 certainly represent the Japanese at the very end of the AoE2 time period. They even appear in the scenario that takes part at the latest date of all AoE2 scenarios if I remember correctly.
So Emishi would fit better next to “Yamato” then to Japan.
Both civs can be both Chronicles or AoE2 in my opinion but I think Chronicles is the more interesting place to put them. Enough Medieval civilisations that people are bagging for and Chronicles doesn’t have anything Asian yet.
I see, Emishi should be in Chronicles rather than AoE2 because they’re descendants of people who were alive during the Chronicles time period, Japanese have hand cannoneers, and you don’t know which continent Persia is in. What a convincing argument. /s
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Didn’t know Persia was located in Europe
Persians (mostly) represent the very earliest time period covered by the game, yet their campaign is still closer to modern period than to Battle For Greece period. Burgundians represent late medieval Burgundy, but still get used to represent their earlier namesakes in Attila. And Franks straight up have Throwing Axemen. There’s probably more examples of this.
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Well ackchyually 
Persia expanded all the way to Thrace at the time.
There is no east asian faction in Chronicles yet. But given how much Japan was a sideshow at the time, I don’t think it will be a priority. There is a strong hypothesis Japan was founded by a Chinese admiral who fled east with his fleet to escape the wrath of Qin Shi Huangdi, to show the relative power at the time. It’s much more likely that a Chronicles focuses on the Three Kingdoms instead of Antique Japan.
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As other have said, The Yamato fit more with the chronicles timeline. Though I hope if they ever explore ancient east Asia it will be separate from the chronicles series, simply to allow for more appropriate unit skins.
In any case seems like an unlikely scenario any time soon
I’d like to see a Japanese rework like the Chinese are getting with more unique units, something like a Tanegashima gunner to replace the European looking hand-cannoneer would be sweet.
Skadidesu didn’t specify East Asia.
That’s not a Hypothesis, that’s a legend.
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They were fist mentioned in around 500 AD but they obviously existed before that.
My opinion is that a civ like the Romans, Goths, Celts or Huns should be added to Chronicles instead of the base game if they were added today. Chronicles obviously didn’t exist when any of them were added so they can’t just be moved over.
Chronicles allows crossplay so it’s not like those civs would not be available.
Sorry I forgot the word “East”.
Yes but they were all added before Chromicles or the general concept of Spinn Offs with crossplay existed at all.
You don’t need a new Spinn off to add new unit skins. What stops them from having 2 or more sets of unit skins in Chronicles?
They can already coexist with the default AoE2 skins. It’s even increasing likely that we will get regional skins in AoE2 in the near future.
Spanish Conquistadors in the El Cid campaign?!
I think Japanese work fine for earlier time periods (apart from hand cannoneers – which are not a core part of their tech tree and easily disabled). Their infantry focus is even correct for their wars with the Emishi. Sure, the samurai looks like it’s from the Sengoku Period, but it’s not that dissimilar from earlier Japanese infantry, such as those from the much earlier Kofun Period.
You could say something similar about every civ in the game.
Chronicles civs are poorly designed and not even balanced against each other, let alone against AoE2 civs. Crossplay is a good feature for scenario and campaign design, but not relevant otherwise.
Chronicles only has three civs, and two of them are Greek city states – of course there are huge areas with no civs. That has no bearing on which civs could or should be added to AoE2.
Look, I’m not opposed to adding Jōmon to Chronicles, but it wouldn’t preclude adding Emishi to AoE2. I’m not even saying I think Emishi should be added to AoE2 – I can think of several reasons not to add them (lack of information to base a tech tree or unique unit on, difficult to find a suitable campaign concept, nothing to base a castle or wonder on, lack of AI leader names). I just think your reasons for not including them are bad. So bad, in fact, that it’s hard to take them seriously – hence my sarcastic response earlier.
Basically all civs continue to exist into the late middle ages or even beyond. The majority of civs still exist today.
Only a few civs practically stop existing in the form presented in AoE2 like the Huns, Goths or Romans. Emishi stopped existing as an independent culture relatively early after the beginning of the AoE2 time frame.
Isn’t that what we are mostly talking about. You can’t disable hand cannons for Japanese without making a scenario, right?
The Huns were the worst addition to AoE2 for sure. They basically allow almost everything to be added to the game because almost every other civ is more suitable then the Huns.
I’m really curious how the Huns castle will look like now that they’ll very likely get a custom one.