You GPU(video card) runs too hot in AoE4?

[Stug]

@GorbMort

Buddy, it’s my boot drive. It sees very substantial file activity generally.

You give inaccurate statements and you expect a precise good assessment?!?

@GorbMort

Telling people how to run their PCs, assuming everything is in a healthy range, is less good.

And than, tell the assessment/work of that person you fed previously half truth statement, that is not good enough?

@GorbMort

But I’ve said all this before, I think.

We all should be in that state more often, but we are not. We are blinded by manufacturers “specifications” and

@GorbMort

proofed temperature range

Without testing you have to blindly believe them till your hardware dies or performs bad and than of course you buy a new one. Works as intended isn’t it? With all respect. That is the idea, to be a mushroom - they keep you in the dark and feed you ****I’ve done same thing for a short while till I realize they lie. But only by testing and work. Are you willing to put in some good hours? They have an interest in selling you new hardware regularly. What is my reason to give you wrong data?!?
I remain with my statement - The fastest 5.0 NVMe slots shouldn’t be placed around main PCIe X16 slot, not even if is a 4.0. Period.
You are better with a 4070 Super cause is just TDP of 220W and maybe the manufacturer pushing that to 250-260W. BUT what if you had a 3080 or 3090 with power pushed around 400W will be your NVMe drive still 55C?.
Do you have any idea how fast is saturated by heat that silly Al heatsink over your M2 drive?

For example I was servicing a Dell desktop long time ago. Vista Os. The HDD was very slow on boot and other operations. To work out in the end that even that particular Seagate was an 5400 rpm drive, Dell capped that drive to 4200 RPM in bios- customer had no idea of course. Advertise that is equipped with 5400 drive by Dell. The drive was overheating to 46 C(4200 RPM) doing nothing while case had no frontal fan or exhaust one PSU fan in top of the case ad to do all the exhaust of CPU heat and all the rest of the heat.
Seagate at that time had bad reputation. Failures of fast expensive drives -servers, nvm the consumer range.
Dell capped the drive so it won’t die in warranty period, yet over the phone lied to the customer saying that is working in optimal ranges.
After my mods on that PC which involved costs but way less than Dells. Boot time went from 7 min to 2 min while temp on the HDD from 46 -38 C in idle.
Hundred of cases I came across with similar pattern > wrapped **** around those “proofed specifications” and customer pay dearly with inflated upgrades costs. And they make a lot of money based on the “naivety”.

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@Stug

You give inaccurate statements and you expect a precise good assessment?!?

I did not. It sees very substantial activity. Lots of read / write, on a daily basis. I shouldn’t have to prove what I do for work in order for you to believe me or not. Either you do, or you don’t. I don’t really care enough to demonstrate, because you seem fundamentally opposed people voicing their own opinions in this thread.

@Stug

Without testing

I can’t test my hardware without first subjecting it to the limits you say I shouldn’t be subjecting it to.

@Stug

They have an interest in selling you new hardware regularly.

I agree, but my hardware literally lasts for years. I do my best to take care of it.

@Stug

BUT what if you had a 3080 or 3090 with power pushed around 400W will be your NVMe drive still 55C?.

Then I would have a different computer, and would be making different posts, in a different hypothetical reality where my hardware lines up with your theories.

@Stug

For example I was servicing a Dell desktop long time ago. Vista Os. The HDD was very slow on boot and other operations. To work out in the end that even that particular Seagate was an 5400 rpm drive, Dell capped that drive to 4200 RPM in bios- customer had no idea of course. Advertise that is equipped with 5400 drive by Dell. The drive was overheating to 46 C(4200 RPM) doing nothing while case had no frontal fan or exhaust one PSU fan in top of the case ad to do all the exhaust of CPU heat and all the rest of the heat.

My parents once had a computer that literally slagged its own CPU because it only had one case fan and they never dusted it. I don’t particularly consider that the statistical average.

That said, hardware manufacturers evidently lie, or twist the truth, for a variety of reasons. But that isn’t really relevant to the thread.

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You keep saying you’re just giving advice, and there’s nothing wrong with giving advice. But then you start all these arguments because you can’t handle that other people are able to manage just fine without your advice. Sincere advice: this is not a great look.

Give folks advice, and let them do with it what they wish. Heck, you might even learn something yourself along the way.

[Stug]

@GorbMort

Buddy, it’s my boot drive. It sees very substantial file activity generally.

From this sentences I could only understand that your NVMe is used as boot drive. And has very substantial file activity generally which you may well understand that the OS, Windows does some logging, updates and whatever and maybe you do some more work on top of that, maybe like Office or whatever. Doesn’t look like extensive IO operations. Because the reader links the second sentence to the first to get the meaning. Because in the second sentence you didn’t specify the type of operations or at least what type of file you work with.
From my point of view it is half of the truth and not enough for an assessment. So, I just worked with what I had.

@GorbMort

You keep saying you’re just giving advice, and there’s nothing wrong with giving advice. But then you start all these arguments because you can’t handle that other people are able to manage just fine without your advice.

I can handle many things, the problem is, those people you said are doing just fine without my advice I see them daily calling me when is too late cause Dell or whoever services are to expensive and they really have no clue if is worth it to send it to the manufacturer or not. Also they didn’t listen to the advice of anybody in the first place or even if they had one, was ignored. Why? cause the persons who advise them wasn’t from Dell or Asus etc.
When they do ask for help and accepted from anybody is way too late, and little to be done. Tech forums is full of them.
I go for prevention so it won’t be needed a treatment later on, will be no pain or high costs either because prevention is the key. While yes, I’m maybe aggressive in my advice I do it because prevention is the best, treatments always have undesirable side effects.

@GorbMort

Sincere advice: this is not a great look.

Thanks. That is correct. But I can’t care less how is looking. Beauty in this context sits in in your intention not on the surface, I am happy If I managed to help at least 2/10 people. If the rest thinks I’m arrogant, so be it.

@GorbMort

They’re proofed to much higher temps and can handle the motherboard placement you’re criticising

@Skadidesu

Having the GPU at 70°C has absolutely no negative effects at all

Both statements looks a lot like manufacturers proofing, specifications, optimal range and brainwashing of their customers.
First statement “the GPU at 70°C has absolutely no negative effects at all” is wrong.
GPU is fine on 70 C for short periods of time, than the thermal pads above VRAM will lose efficiency(prolonged heat stress) and dry out(because GPU on 70 C VRAM sit around 85 or 90C) and VRAM will get hotter above 90. Now many of the users don’t know the symptoms of VRAM suffering, don’t know where to look and how to monitor it, many cards have no sensors on VRAM either and they will end up with a dead card because VRAM fried.

@GorbMort

That said, hardware manufacturers evidently lie, or twist the truth, for a variety of reasons. But that isn’t really relevant to the thread.

So when people make statements about the “safety thermal ranges” which comes usually from manufacturers websites or channels that repeat same propaganda, than yes, I am afraid it is relevant to this thread. Those are lies that put a lot of weight on people and small businesses welfare.

@GorbMort

My parents once had a computer that literally slagged its own CPU because it only had one case fan and they never dusted it. I don’t particularly consider that the statistical average.

In my case that PC was 3-4 months new with very little dust.

But what should really trigger your interest is bellow.

@Stug

Dell capped the drive so it won’t die in warranty period

Now days are still capping hardware and not talking about Dell necessarily.
Faulty GPU with processor missing links in the pads, capped in BIOS by manufacturer to run at 8X max.
Yet GPU sold as new, not even reduced price.

@GorbMort

I can’t test my hardware without first subjecting it to the limits you say I shouldn’t be subjecting it to.

You can subject your hardware to the limits(if we talk here about temps) for short periods of time( what is that Short Period I personally don’t know only you may know), observe issues and than modify whatever is necessary. But subjecting your hardware to high temps for longer periods just because manufacturer said is ok 75 or 85 C on GPU that is wrong. And most of people play games on 70-80 C because is “fine” -“said so in the email from MSI”. And than they commit to ignore everybody else regarding temps.

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@Stug

From this sentences I could only understand that your NVMe is used as boot drive.

Yes, this is the problem with assumptions.

Boot drives often do a lot more than boot your OS. You assuming they don’t is your problem, and nobody elses’.

In my case, I use it for everything I need to go fast with. This includes all software critical to my profession. Tomcat, eclipse, npm, Yarn (yeah, I need both), Docker, about 20 different pieces of VPN software, a couple of Git clients, and so on. A lot of those are pretty I/O heavy! Who’d have thought it

@Stug

Thanks. That is correct. But I can’t care less how is looking. Beauty in this context sits in in your intention not on the surface, I am happy If I managed to help at least 2/10 people. If the rest thinks I’m arrogant, so be it.

Haha, well, good luck with that.

@Stug

Both statements looks a lot like manufacturers proofing, specifications, optimal range and brainwashing of their customers.

My experience comes from my literal experience.

@Stug

GPU is fine on 70 C for short periods of time

7 years is not a short amount of time. First half, I’d say was 60 to 70C. Only started exceeding that in its later years. Unlike a CPU, reseating a GPU is risky.

And I’ll be honest. It still technically works!

Forced obsolescence is real and I don’t fault you for warning against it. But you really need to understand when the people you’re arguing with understand computers, and when they don’t. And a lot of the people you’ve argued with here know enough!

@Stug

So when people make statements about the “safety thermal ranges” which comes usually from manufacturers websites or channels that repeat same propaganda, than yes, I am afraid it is relevant to this thread. Those are lies that put a lot of weight on people and small businesses welfare.

Again. My experience comes from my literal experience.

The thing is, do I need to give you my life story? It’s ultimately anecdotal. As is yours. I doubt I’m going to change your opinion. Could I? What would it take to convince you that you aren’t helping here? Nevermind 2 / 10, I’d honestly say 0 / 10 in a thread running this long on a forum this niche. And I’m both an optimist / glass half-full kind of person and a diehard forum user.

@Stug

And most of people play games on 70-80 C because is “fine” -“said so in the email from MSI”. And than they commit to ignore everybody else regarding temps.

Again (again), my 1070 lasted for 7 years.

[Stug]

@GorbMort

Again (again), my 1070 lasted for 7 years.

I wasn’t talking about yours but, whoever I quote. And in general what I see often, too often.

@GorbMort

And I’m both an optimist / glass half-full kind of person and a diehard forum user.

Is this relevant to this thread?

@GorbMort

I doubt I’m going to change your opinion. Could I?

@GorbMort

You, uh, don’t seem to understand how modern hardware seems to work? Respectfully.

It’s like complaining that NVMe drives run hot or something.

You’ve been mostly negative and right from the start about my knowledge/experience in hardware. Now you try to convince me of what? I’m not helping anybody? And how would you know that? You are so sure this post will not come in any search in the future? How?

@GorbMort

You, uh, don’t seem to understand how modern hardware seems to work? Respectfully.

It’s like complaining that NVMe drives run hot or something.

@Stug

If NVMe runs too hot that is on the MBO manufacturer, stupid design. They just placed NVMe above or under the main PCie 16x where is the GPU. And the GPU fins orientation is just towards your NVMe slot blowing 200-400Watts heat on them.

I answered, ignoring your negative remark, pretty much exactly why your NVMe is hot, not even knowing your setup. Bad design MBO + bad placement of your M2 drive will lead to high temps.
Lucky assumption or experience? Answer that to yourself.

@GorbMort

What would it take to convince you that you aren’t helping here?

Why are you so keen to do that? You keep trying that for a while now. In the end of the day you can ignore it.

@GorbMort

Again (again), my 1070 lasted for 7 years.

Congratz. This thread is not for you maybe? Others people GPUs died in less than an year while other is dying as we speak. Lower quality in GPU now day. Yes but, also too hot VRAM.

@GorbMort

Forced obsolescence is real and I don’t fault you for warning against it.

I didn’t talked about that. What Dell did is limitation to keep a problematic/cheap hardware alive during warranty period. That is not “Forced” Planned obsolescence not even close.
Don’t put words in my mouth. If you don’t understand what I’m saying than ask.

@GorbMort

And a lot of the people you’ve argued with here know enough!

Very happy for them, they don’t need my video or my useless advise and they can ignore the post.

I’m not arguing but, discussing. Maybe on this forum having not so positive talks about the game is called arguing? Is that it?
Seems a bit funny that mostly Age Insiders have a lot of input on my post. And none of those wanted help but, discredit what I’m saying.

@GorbMort

The thing is, do I need to give you my life story?

Did I give you the impression that I want that?

@GorbMort

It’s ultimately anecdotal

What is? Your endeavor to explain to me how useless my post or my video is?

@GorbMort

diehard forum user

I think you are a diehard, not sure what are you dying for though. I’m pretty much in the dark regarding your really tangible scope here.

[GorbMort]

@Stug

You’ve been mostly negative and right from the start about my knowledge/experience in hardware. Now you try to convince me of what? I’m not helping anybody? And how would you know that? You are so sure this post will not come in any search in the future? How?

At this point in the thread? Yes. You’ve already given the advice you want to give. It was way earlier on, buried in criticism of the game itself.

@Stug

Congratz. This thread is not for you maybe? Others people GPUs died in less than an year while other is dying as we speak. Lower quality in GPU now day. Yes but, also too hot VRAM.

Which your advice won’t really help. Low quality is low quality. But “too hot VRAM” is something you’re simply not listening to other opinions on.

Give advice on how to lower hardware temps. Nothing wrong with that. But the point of me talking about my hardware is to show that “too hot” isn’t “too hot”.

@Stug

I didn’t talked about that. What Dell did is limitation to keep a problematic/cheap hardware alive during warranty period. That is not “Forced” Planned obsolescence not even close.
Don’t put words in my mouth. If you don’t understand what I’m saying than ask.

Okay, warrantee gaming, whatever you want to say. I was agreeing with you, and here you are insisting you have to disagree nomatter what

@Stug

I’m not arguing but, discussing. Maybe on this forum having not so positive talks about the game is called arguing? Is that it?

Oh, me too. Happy for this to be a discussion, but you don’t seem to accept anyone elses’ arguments.

My point has always been pretty simple. Anytime someone says that your advice isn’t for them, or that the game isn’t at fault, you get really annoyed and argue (not discuss) with them. I was trying to show you the issues with that.

Nevertheless I don’t think this is helping, so I’ll leave you to it.