This would make sense especially considering how many weak civs have been buffed.
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Never say never, they have done crazier stuff.
With Lith Super Skirms, and Viet Imp Skirms in the game now, there is no reason to not have Italian Tank Skirms.
And how many Trash buffs we have seen nowadays (Liths Super Skirms, Teutons Super Halbsā¦).
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Seems people are really willing for an Italian buff. I agree they have great potential
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Well, as they say from where Iām from, hope is the last thing to dieā¦
ā¦but itās also the first one that f**k you in the a*s
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Let me see:
- free archer armors
- reasonable GC TT
- old pavise back
The first two are almost needed, the third one would be appreciated
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how good is a +1/1 skirms?
Is +1 ma good?
@Bzhydack, I am sure you know 
For PA
In ESkirm vs ESkirm no matter.
Arb will deal to ESkirm 1dmg instead of 2dmg, need 35 shots instead of 18 - so as good as Lith Skirms.
For MA
Form FU Hussar no matter - 5 hits
From Hussar without BF - 1 more hit (7 instead of 6)
From Pala - no matter.
From Halb - one more hit (6 in place of 5)
From Champ - no matter, unless champ dont have BF. 1 more hit then (4 in place of 3)
From Gbeto - one more hit.
From Throwing Axeman - one more hit (5 instead of 4)
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You are better than sotl 11. thx
So in practice it is good vs arbalests and a bit useful vs halabs in trash wars. I would not say it is broken. At all
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I am currently going through a Malay phase of life. They deal with my most major weakness well, which is age upgrade time.
Any map with a tiny bit pool of water (even Arabia and Fort Hill have some water in them) allows me to feudal boom (better than Cuman eco bonus) knowing that those fish traps will last forever. So I take my time in feudal, get eco upgrades, boom, build towers and pikes, all while knowing I wonāt be that late to castle when it is time to deal with knights.
In castle, their elephants (FU at that point) are cheaper than knights. I build a few for defence, but all my investments are going for Navy and naval techs. Malay canāt afford to lose the water if there is any. They build navy, Harbors, tech to Imp at a good time still, and start bombarding from the shores.
With no water, I imp and get Forced Levy, and start my 3 unit non-gold army (skirms, Halbs, 2H Swordsmen). Any gold I get goes into techs or siege units.
I donāt need to start trade anytime soon, as my army goes a long way with existing gold.
They suffer that all their units are slow, hence they need very good defences back in their base. That is why I go for 1 castle and many of their non-arrow-slits towers, along with Harbors on any nearby shores. They have BBC, decent rams, along with their bombard galleons if there is water.
One problem I have with them, is that 4-5 of the maps in current Match Making set have no water at all, so Malay are not at their best in half the games on average.
Another problem, is their lack of treadmill crane. You need to be mass building harbors and military buildings, since they take long to build and need many to mass their fully trash army.
Best feeling ever, when your Mongol enemy tries to raid your economy in Fort Hill, just to be arrowed to death with the stacked side-by-side harbors protecting your fishing in a mostly land map!!
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Lithuanians ES though are better vs CA and some UU, like the longbows and such (thanks to the +2PA and the 10% faster movement). They are also more resistant to towers and scorps.
Italians would use them only as a meatshield in front of other archers and ES (especially if they miss bracer) to protect your arbs/GC/HC, so +1 helps sometimes. Still it would be convenient, since itās cheap and it affects more units that itās likely that you have at the same time.
MA is useless, since ES have the minimum range, so you would have to put them in stand ground, but usually itās not worth it, but again, you would have it for an upgrade that you would however grab for others units that use that more MA, so itās basically for free.
However, I still would prefer that pavise give +2/2 to arbs.