This is from the AoE 4 Wololo event
This is from the Stormgate event
Graphical and artistic quality aside, it’s obvious that people interested in RTS games prefer zoomed in camera angles. Starcraft 1, Starcraft II, and Warcraft 3 are all proof of this. League of Legends and DOTA 2 are both similar to RTS games in terms of design, and they have similar max zooms. Starcraft, Warcraft, DOTA, and League of Legends are all isometric games that share roughly the same zoom level. Players from those games will look at the first screenshot and find it appalling. The combined population of these games is stratospheres larger than AoE 4. It doesn’t matter if AoE 4 might be a better game than Stormgate. The far zoom makes it look boring.
gotta correct you here, this isn’t the og beta zoom out, that one was even closer, gotta see if i have any screenshots still, that time when the slap to the face called increased max zoom happened (and it was next to impossible to see a difference between the 2, still is)
Imagine showing this to a Starcraft or League of Legends player or an FPS player for that matter… “Hey wanna try this PvP game out.”
says while showing a game with 2 starcrafters in it, mission failed successfully
also i’m pretty sure no one took issue with sc 1 remastered making zoom out further away
Apparently, the guy in the Red is quitting AoE 4 after this very match and moving to Stormgate fulltime. AoE 4 is a dying game unfortunately.
for various reasons yes, namely poor support job, if i can even call it that
Many of are you just being delusional if you think gamers nowadays want to play some RTS game where the units look like ants. RTS games are literally a genre on life support. Retold is trying to change that. The graphics and the effects need to be upclose and as immersive as possible if most people are even going to give the game a second glance.
AoE 4 innovated and tried to modernize the Age franchise. The graphics, sounds, animations, and effects in AoE 4 were clearly intended to make the gameplay look more immersive. Zooming the camera out just discards all of that.
unit ant problem in 4 is more so a scaling failure, in retold, ye camera max is def redicilous, but then why are competitive people zooming in right away, limiting zoom isn’t the way, case in point aoe4
Probably it’s time for your to have a reality check and study the current results of the poll.
The vast majority of the community wants to be able to zoom out further than let’s say in aoe4.
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also from relic, COH3 also got criticized for lackluster zoom, relic’s staple it seems
What you are saying is evidently wrong.
The majority of people do clearly say that they want to be able to zoom out more.
This majority that you are talking about does not exist.
Almost no one makes their purchasing decisions based on how games look like in a Twitch stream!
You literally just have one argument and that is how the game looks like in a stream and that one argument is stupid.
Repeating it 100 times doesn’t make it any better.
Your poll has about 10 votes. It says some people actually voted multiple times. You might want to ask the Starcraft and Warcraft community about zoom level. Or how about the 100 million+ League of Legends and DOTA 2 players. Maybe the FPS community would like to chime in as well.
You think zoom is the only reason they play those games instead of AoE7AoM?
Also would be funny to ask them, I bet you a lot of those people would be in favour of being able to zoom out more.
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Yes the 100 million+ people who play RTS and MOBAs on PC and Mobile that are zoomed in. Starcraft and Warcraft the most popular RTS games ever made with really zoomed in cameras.
Or how about Age of Mythology and Age of Mythology Extended Edition which both had cameras much more zoomed in that Retold?
It’s a huge reason why people play them. If the camera was zoomed far out they would not have been as popular. That’s the whole point. The zoomed in camera is both a gameplay and aesthetic design choice by the developers. It clearly worked.
It does not matter what some random player wants. It’s what is best for the games. Why can’t you understand this? If you could zoom far out in League of Legends the gameplay would not be the same anymore and it would be worse. You also wouldn’t be able to see the detail of the graphics and cosmetics.
When people look at Age of Empires the first thing they often say is “Why is the game so zoomed out?” Most people are not used to isometric games being so far zoomed out, and they don’t like it.
It has 29 voters and 40 votes right now.
What are you smoking?
Just go google “Starcraft 2 zoom” and you will find many people complaining about it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft2/comments/151p7z9/does_anyone_else_wish_they_could_zoom_out_more/
Just because they have more players doesn’t mean those games are better in every way.
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Honestly, it would have been even far more popular with more zoom-out.
I’m an active league player and the closeup camera is one of my biggest points of criticism for the game…
I have been dreaming of more zoom-out since 2011 when I started playing it.
And did Blizzard change the zoom level? Of course not. I personally do not like how zoomed in Starcraft II is. However, the fact that you can zoom out as far as you can in Retold is beyond ridiculous. I don’t even think you could zoom out half as far in EE.
Well Riot thankfully didn’t listen to players like you. Imagine if they had let you design the game.
