Yeah I said theoretically for a reason.
To make them 1pop you need the Saloon card in age4 after unrevolting - so you can’t make any more if them - and iirc they have the 0.5AoE like Soldados so nothing worth mentioning normally
Aside from most of that being bad takes as always just take a look at the armored pistoleer for a second. Yes his stats may look “bad” for a 4pop unit but then looks at the price - he costs only as much as a Giant grenadier while having waaay superior stats
I repeat again. Peru has revolutionaries - grenadiers 1 pop 100 food cost
That’s why I don’t see them in any fights. And if I see it, it’s only from those who ultimately lost. A very useful unit.
They are only bad in treaty. In other modes they are a must have tbh
They don’t cost like culverin. Well, they don’t cost that much.
TBF The pistoleer is imo only worth currently 3 pops at best that is correct, because obviously he is not in the same ballpark in capability as elemettos, sanar and mamlucks which are also only 4 pops.
Arguably he could even be a 2 pop unit but instead cost 350 Gold.
Revolutionaries themselves are a somewhat average unit that lose to most other units in the game that are veteran+. Plus they are sort of a special case unit that isn’t normally massable so in this case they’re fine
Now if you remember the 1 pop mounted granadero…
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holy crap the mounted grenaderos are 1 pop? What in tarnation…
There are many different Revolutionaries the Peruvian Legion can be a pain with area of effect with Grenade Attack which counters inf and then has other attacks to counter cavalry.
Note: Those are from different revolts comparisons I did a while ago don’t know if any stats have changed since then and they are from different civs using cards to boost them.
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Are they? Looking up in in the wiki it says it was changed back to 2 in update 61213, I haven’t check on the game itself so I don’t know if the info is up to date
Tbh those units are pretty bad.
He’s not great by himself. Mix him with cav and he’ll do work.
with cavalry, whilest beeing not cavalry itself and therefore neither being able to keep up nor be close enough by consequence of being ranged to trigger it’s aura?
It’s an over armored piece of trash (because melee armor about worth 1/4 of ranged armor) for 4 pops that is so inefficent that it makes most outlaws look by comparison highly usefull?
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Just use cavalry differently when you have the pistoleers. Simple. Don’t run them away from your support units if you want to use support units. They’re not bad just because they don’t work the same as every other unit.
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They still don’t work even then, you’d literally be better off having an merc cav, 2 normal cav or 4 one pop cav.
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60% melee armor aoe damage anti cav musk are absolutely great as a merc shipment to counter the likes of cuirs, sipahi, lancers, and shock infantry. Backed by numerous cannons its a game ender. For 1v1s this is a common merc card age3 for those who can. Pop isnt everything its just 1 of many resources to consider when playing this game. Important but not always paramount res(ill gladly overpop to win a game)
As for their viability for being spammed maybe not but when they were 3 pop and beefier nr20 and team meta devolved into spamming these ad nauseum so probably why they are now not efficent to spam
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grenadier and fire thrower are effective units for 2 pop, especially the fire thrower, even in treay mode they are strong.
hospitallers are pretty ok also the only real problem there are the soldados who are very strong (but ok ), and the sentinels whois uselles, sentinels should be one pop
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Sentinels are pretty bad, but fire throwers and grenadiers are lethal in large numbers. Even 15 of them can wipe out an army of musketeers. Also, an important detail commonly forgotten about fire throwers is that they do burning damage. Even I forget about it.
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Do you really think that 1 pistol will be better than 2 Lancers?
The grenadiers fall short of 2 pops. Fire throwers have too little HP for 2 pop.
Compare them. And don’t tell me about AoE damage. I saw what kind of AoE damage they have. They are losing the battle to these Jaegers.