4 things should happen to Mameluke

Same faulty logic used to justify a buff to the Cav archer which clearly, concisely, needed nothing. .15 delay on the attack turned it into meta overnight. That’s not a serious buff.

Competitive play is subject to the same in-group bias that your game group, or any group, naturally progresses to. It’s impossible to avoid, and it’s especially hard to quantify the strength of things that aren’t in the meta because the meta exists practically on a whim based off what people like and don’t like at the time.

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you’re the one making the claim, it is your job to back it up. that is called the burden of proof.

yeah that’s why we see saracens pocket during team games all the time.
oh wait. no. they are flanks.

Conqs are broken, Memelukes are useless.

i’m not talking as they are now. i’m talking if they got all 4 buffs equalizer wanted. extra range, 1/3 their training time shaved off, 10 gold shaved off their cost, and extra armor.

No bro Conqs are fine and Spanish like Mongols depend on them so much but yeah still better than Mameluke

What the hell are you talking about man?! Mamelukes have tons of reasons to be buffed

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I mean, Mamelukes slaughter both of those units with equal numbers, so that’s simply not true.

I assure you even with those 4 togother they will still fine, just remember how the Arambai had years with their 17 sick attack with it’s basic armor before and even after the last nerfs it still better than the Mameluke

and then Arambai got nerfed didn’t they?

With micro?! No of course, Conqs and Arambi and Mangudai ez kill Mamelukes

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Yeah this what i was talking about, i mean even if the Mameluke got all these 4 points the Arambai with their nerfs still better

but would they with your changes? again its debatable.

is it though?
1 more range, much lower accuracy, lower health (130 vs 85) and armor (5/5 vs 1/3), and slower to mass up and slower to move too.

Even with my changes they still have lower range and lower damage, and remember that the +1 range only for the elite

Do it. Post imp, 20 conq or Arambai or Mangudai. Go ahead.

Set up the training mode, and try to win the fight by hit and run. Put your money where your mouth is. Obvs you’d have to patrol the Mamelukes in so they notice you all at once, but then game on. Do it.

they also have higher health and much higher armor, as well as being faster to mass up. and lower frame delay not everything is about just damage.

With micro you should know that without even to try, are you asking me serious a unit with 3 range against a unit with 7 range (Mangudai) with micro will win?! Or even against Conqs with 19 attack and 5 range?!

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Sorry but your claims aren’t prooft. I’just saw one game last week were they decided the game, I don’t remember which it was, but it was clear they decided the game.
And therefore your claim is wrong because you stated they don’t see pro, but they see it. Maybe not that freequent, but most UUs don’t see frequent pro play. Even Leitis doesn’t see frequent pro play.

Most UUs have very situational use and the mameluke is no exception from it, it is a cav counter and its the best cav counter in the game. Pros also adjust their play, avoid playing into the strengths of the civs. So they will avoid playing too much cav against saracens. So indirect the Saracen player already profits from the mameluke because the opponent can’t play special strategies. If the opponent triee other strats, there are of course better options than the mameluke.
These are so called soft factors.

I love playing mames. They can be insanely stong in the right circumstances. But for sure you need to know when to play them and the right comp. Usually Siege.

We need to try and as you said it is debatable, and remember even with my suggestions still the Mameluke will cost 75g and many castles to mass so it is not ez to judge

Not really. You can mass up Arambai on two castle and youre mamelukes would ttain even faster. So yeah. Not that hard to mass

I didn’t ask you to grandstand. Set up the micro match in training mode, and do it. Outmicro 20 mamelukes with 20 mangudai. Show me how easy it is. If you manage it, I’ll concede the point. Go ahead. I’m waiting.

Until you do, this is all talk. You haven’t demonstrated anything, you’re just arguing semantics.