The Vietnamese need to invade someone …
In all seriousness Cambodia seems a bit of a punching bag in the time frame.
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It must be to cover the post-Angkor period (that is, after the fall of the Khmer Empire in 1431) until the French conquest in 1863… but the same thing, during the early modern era Cambodia was like a buffer state between the Siamese and the Vietnamese that were much more powerful although during this period the Cambodians fought against the Siamese, the Spanish and the Dutch, already in the 17th century…
Exactly, for me they will only focus on Burma (Burmese), Siam (Siamese) and at most Vietnam (Siamese), since the three were empires, although Vietnam would leave it to launch it with Korea (Koreans) to promote the competitiveness scene of AoE 3…
Konbaung Empire in 1824… An expansionist dynasty, the Konbaung kings waged campaigns against Manipur, Arakan, Assam, the Mon kingdom of Pegu, Siam (Ayutthaya, Thonburi, Rattanakosin), and the Qing dynasty of China – thus establishing the Third Burmese Empire. Subject to later wars and treaties with the British, the modern state of Myanmar can trace its current borders to these events.
Siamese influence and territorial claims in 1893…
The sphere of influence of the Rattanakosin Kingdom in 1805… The maximum zone of influence of Rattanakosin included the vassal states of Cambodia, Laos, Shan States, and the northern Malay states. The kingdom was founded by Rama I of the Chakri Dynasty. The first half of this period was characterized by the consolidation of Siamese power in the center of Mainland Southeast Asia and was punctuated by contests and wars for regional supremacy with rival powers Burma and Vietnam.[10] The second period was one of engagements with the colonial powers of Britain and France in which Siam remained the only Southeast Asian state to maintain its independence.
Kingdom of Vietnam in 1838… The political, dynastic, and military decline of the Khmer Empire after the 15th century, known as the Post-Angkor Period, left a power vacuum in the Mekong floodplains of central Indochina. United under strong dynastic rule, both Siam to the west and Vietnam to the east sought to achieve hegemony in the lowland region and the Lao mountains. The Siamese introduced — and Vietnam soon followed — the hostage system for Cambodian royals, who were relocated to their courts, actively undermining royal affairs and shaping future Cambodian policies.[a] Eventually, territory was annexed by both powers, who conceived, maintained and supported their favorable Cambodian puppet kings. Actual combat mainly took place on Cambodian territory or on occupied lands. The 19th-century establishment of French Indochina put an end to Vietnamese sovereignty and to Siamese policies of regional expansion. Subsequent clashes of the two countries were not caused by regional rivalry, but must be viewed in the context of the 20th-century imperial policies of foreign great powers and the Cold War.
I’d like to see Ainus at least as a minor civ.
Or it could be reworked to represent only Mughals.
Of course, it would be the thing… the issue is that you would leave aside the Maratha…
Actually my idea is to change the current Indians to represent only Mughals and add at least one more civ representing another part/kingdom of India. Maybe two more civs if we’re lucky.
Also I think Deccan should be split into at least 10 maps, so we can also have some new minor civs (hopefully not holy sites)
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Yes, but they said that they are not going to divide the Indians (lastly add more Mughal cards and Maratha mercenaries)…
You should stop stating stuff you want for the game as if it was gonna be implemented.
That’s what they said…It doesn’t matter to me, it’s irrelevant to me, I don’t have a problem with the Indians because I’m already used to them…
I mean you said the devs are gotta split Indians as if it was already confirmed. They never said anything about that.
But they themselves said that they are not going to divide the Indians and the Germans… they said it in the AoE Discord (and I think on Reddit too)…
Nvm I misread
Either way it sucks if they keep AoE3 Indians as the Frankenstein that they are, especially after DoI. I don’t care about German split but an Indian split should seriously happen.
The issue is that unlike DoI, it requires a lot of time and money to make another Indian civ for AoE 3, because you have to rework the entire Indian civ and balance the new civ, plus since it is an Asian civ, give it wonders to advance age…it is more profitable for them to put more Mughal cards into the Indians and Maratha mercenary units and then focus on other Asian civs, such as those in the Middle East or SEA…
I thought that was only in reference to Germans? Have you got the quote for Indians?
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Except they didn’t do any of that either. The most they did to Asia was adding a new minor civ and changing the Sufi unit.
Not to mention all Indian, Udasi and Bhakti units and all related mercs speak Hindi and only Hindi.
The only one I saw talk about Indians never getting split is Jonasnee, and he’s not a dev.
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Tilanus said it in the AoE discord, but I can’t find it…
It must be that they are saving it for an Asian DLC…
That’s true…
This is what you’re thinking of, and no he didn’t rule out an India split. It’s pretty hypocritical logic for not splitting Germans either.
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Ah well, then let them do what they want…
I would love to suggest 2 Southeast Asian civs.
- Siamese / Thai (which already suggested before)
- Malay Sultanate
I don’t think other civs in Southeast Asia during the colonisation period are significant enough to be represented.
Siamese is a clear choice for future civs consideration .
From Ayutthaya to Rattanakosin, it covers the whole colonisation period. Siamese is the only one not colonised at that region, and strong too compare to its neighbouring countries.
They have access to elephant, and accepted western military reforms.
For age advancement, can consider to use the following “Alliance” selections:
Commerce Age - Hanthawaddy (Burmese), Lan Xang (Lao), Khmer (Cambodian), Ming Dynasty (Chinese), Melacca (Malay)
Fortress Age - Taungoo Dynasty (Burmese), Vientiane (Lao), Lê Dynasty (Viet), Portugese, Pattani (Malay)
Industrial Age - Konbaung Dynasty (Burmese), Luang Phrabang (Lao), Qing Dynasty (Chinese), Nguyễn Dynasty (Viet), Kedah (Malay)
Imperial Age - British, French, Japanese, United States, Internal Reform (Thai)
Alliance age advancement model, can also include vassal/tributary state kind of idea.
Malay is a unique alternative civ for me.
They are not very powerful, but some Sultanates have quite a big sphere of influence.
They have big navies and different local mercenaries options.
For age advancement, can consider to use the following “Sultanate” selections:
Commerce Age - Pahang Sultanate, Brunei Sultanate, Patani Sultanate, Ternate Sultanate, Chinese Alliance
Fortress Age - Sulu Sultanate, Banten Sultanate, Mataram Sultanate, Gowa Sultanate, Ottoman Alliance
Industrial Age - ########### Sultanate, Siak Sri Indrapura Sultanate, Aceh Sultanate, ###### Sultanate, Siamese Alliance
Imperial Age (Revolt only) - Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, Brunei, Philippines
This age advancement model with Sultanate is like revolt/successor concept.
Embassy options: British, Dutch, Portuguese, Spanish
Each of the age advancement options will grant a new unit purchase too, for example Commerce - Infantry, Fortress - Cavalry, Industrial - Artillery, and Imperial - special units & navies, or significant upgrade to original units and skills. These new units will reflect the local minorities culture and military too (Example, Malay choosing Brunei will access to Dayak Headhunters, Siamese choosing Nguyễn Dynasty will access to Black Flag Army). Their initial fixed roaster limited to 2 choices per type, then add more from each age. Alliance from embassy also allows for foreign army reinforcement.
These 2 Souteast Asian civs, their home city can be designed like imperial court of that civ.
Siamese in the middle can be the King, left and right are Samuha Nayok (Chief Minister) who oversees economic units and Samuha Kalahom (Military Minister) who can be the Explorer, then below have Phraya Yommarat (Interior Minister) who oversees military units/upgrades, Phraya Thammathibodi (Chief Justice and Religion) who overseas building upgrades, Phraya Sri Thammaraj (Treasury) who oversees Naval units/upgrades & mercenaries, Phraya Phollathep (Agriculture Minister) who oversees economic upgrades.
Similar for Malay, middle is Sultan, and surrounded by Bendahara (Chief Minister) who oversees economic units, Laksamana (Admiral) who oversees military units/upgrades, Temenggung (Security Chief) who overseas building upgrades, Penghulu Bendahari (Treasury) who oversees economic upgrades, 4 Shahbandars (Harbour Masters) who oversees Naval units/upgrades & mercenaries, Hulubalang (Warlord - optional) who can be Explorer.
Explorer probably design like a Warlord with traditional costume. Siamese explorer ride white elephant, while Malay explorer can enter a warship and convert it into a strong commanding warship as long as he is inside.
Also these 2 civs should get a second “explorer”, after they selected a foreign power (Siam in Imperial Age, Malay in embassy), the second explorer will be designed like the foreign resident/advisor role to the army.
The more I think about this, the more I am looking forward to AOE3 new civs. 
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What’s wrong with Burmese, Vietnamese, and Javanese?
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Welcome!
I love the idea of a Malay civ though I would suggest it would be more cohesive to pick one of the most powerful Malay Sultanates - Aceh or Johor and have that as the civ focus. Both would be solid choices we Aceh being the most aggressive and having Ottoman support, and Johor being a long-lasting trade power coming from the remains of the Malaccan Sultanate.