It is OP in Feudal Age. +1/+2/+4 PA in Feudal/Catle/Imperial Age is more balanced bonus.
It is too weak. What about trees 30% last longer.
Instant 65 hp Scout in Feudal Age is a bit OP. Bloodlines and Husbandry are 50% cheaper and 50% faster researched is balanced. Instant bonuses shouldn’t be in the game, it is very boring way to give a bonus.
It is okay but I am wondering its cost and upgrade time.
20% is too weak,. 33% faster is better.
It is also fine.
Then venice would be the top contender from europe noh?
Like?
Maybe. But they would be so alike the already present Italians in every way gameplaywise I would rather get Croats before them.
How would they differ from Magyars? even the modded scenario had the magyar uu as the uu.
They would be a naval civ with strong cav and solid infantry but bad archers I imagine. In general we have a fairly same-ish top tier water civs with all of them being archer civs so a civ with bad archers could at least add some variety. Maybe ut could be a cav civ with strong defenses and economy but overall weak tech tree.
I think that is because of the top tier water civs all need bracer, which typically also makes them an archer civ. Not always though. Spanish aren’t a top tier, but they are an example of a civ that could be, has bracer, and bad archers. I think they have bracer…
I would like to rectify that Germanic is not the same as German. The civs you mentioned are Germanic, but of these only the Teutons civ are German. In the late Middle Ages, the Swedes, Portuguese and Britons had little in common. As with the Slavs, but with them much more common features have been preserved.
It can be said that one can define Germanicness in three categories:
Goths, Teutons, Britons, Franks, Vikings, Burgundians, Spanish, Portuguese, Italians and Sicilians
Teutons, Britons, Vikings and Burgundians (if considered that this civ represents the Netherlands)
Teutons civ along with Indians civ are the biggest umbrellas in this game. In my opinion, German area should receive 1-2 more completely new civs and the Indian subcontinent at least 3 completely new civs.
I am German and this is totally weird stuff to me.
Also for the knowledge of the world we “Germans” don’t call ourselves “Germans” it’s only the english name of our state, “Germany”. We call our country “Deutschland” which means “Country of the People”. Nothing more.
If I talk about “Germanic” I refer to the classification of the people of a mass migration period about 2000 years ago.
A second Scandinavian civ would make perfect sense. I think the best solution for both those who want to break the umbrella Vikings and the representation of the Finno-Ugric nations (Finnish, Estonians, Sami and Karelians) is to add the Swedes civ. This could be a late medieval Scandinavian civ containing one Finno-Ugric Unique Unit.
This comparison is pointless. Croats, Romanians and Swiss are incomparably better choices for new civs than Albanians and Estonians.
The addition of Albanians & Estonians would infuriate everyone (including the supporters of adding new European civs) because it doesn’t make any sense. It would be unfair to add these two civs with only a small number of American, African, Near Eastern and Indian civs.
Croats, Romanians, Swiss - fun & sense
Estonians and Albanians - exaggerated and pointless Eurocentrism
First of all, no one would even buy it.
Second, it is not needed by anyone.
Third, it would not have any historical significance.
Estonians could be included in a Swedish civ and Albanians in a potential Venetian civ.
Exactly. English terminology is completely chaotic.
In Polish, the Germanic are the Germanie, and the Germans are the Niemcy - and it seems much more convenient to me.
Most albanians migrated to Calabria not Veneto. So Arbereshe (Italian Albanian) are already included with Sicilians.
Wouldn’t it be better or more accurate to have a Serbian civi with elements of Albanians rather than Venice with elements of Albanian?
@TungstenBoar: Unique culture can also be very subjective. For example, Romania was the only Eastern Latin culture left (rip Dalmatia) surrounded by Slavic & Magyar people. Some may find that fancy others may find that boring. The same could be said for the various sub-cultures of India.
In the end, I don’t think there’s an “objective standard”, it’s what people like best. People usually like: the titans, the underdog, the one with an unique culture, etc. They are all factors, but I don’t think we can ever say there is an objective standard.
@Mahazona: Like, what? You seriously believe Albanian & Estonia had more historical value impact than Croatia & Romania?
Both countries were larger and had more population, which automatically translates in more historical impact as in more value on the international scene. Both countries existed far longer than Albania and Estonia did. Even if we include only the independence period, excluding the vassal period (which is still semi-independent). Croatia & Romania would fight the Turks and sometimes win. Albania & Estonia by contrast was merely a footnote in their respective regions.
A simple Wikipedia page of “list of war involving [country]” would show the impact difference between Albania, Estonia and Croatia, Romania.
I could be wrong, but I have a hard time thinking you’re making this historical impact of Albanian & Estonian vs Croatian & Romania argument in good faith, since it’s rather non-sense. Croatian & Romania weren’t England or the Ottoman Empire for sure, but they were incomparably more important than Albania & Estonia.
I am making this in good faith, If a south slavic civi is introduced shouldn’t it be Serbia as they had an short lived empire unlike croates who were mainly a Hungarian vassal. Same goes for romania who were under someone most of the time.
You make a good point about Serbia. It’s the point about Albania & Estonia I found hard to believe.
For Romania, I’m not saying revolts are more relevant than the Serbian Empire, but Romania’s revolts were full of the underdog wins short term type.
In 1277, the Romanian Litovoi revolted against the Kingdom of Hungary by refusing to pay tribute. The rebellion ended in 1278 when Litovoi was killed in battle and its sibling Bărbat was taken prisoner by the Kingdom of Hungary. After Bărbat paid his ransom and recognized the Kingdom of Hungary’s rule it took his sibling’s throne.
In 1330, the Romanian Basarab I revolted and defeated a much larger force of the Kingdom of Hungary. The most notable victory was the Battle of Posada where 10.000 Wallachian troops, mostly conscripted peasants, defeated 30.000 Hungarian troops, mostly professional soldiers. The Wallachians suffered light casualties while the Hungarians suffered very heavy casualties. Establishing Wallachia as a fully independent state.
In 1359, the Romanian Bogdan I revolted against Romanian Dragos and his sovereign Kingdom of Hungary. Eventually defeating both of them and establishing Moldavia as a fully independent state. The Kingdom of Hungary initially didn’t recognize Moldavia’s independence and attacked it again to try and retake the land, but after a few failed attempts it eventually recognized Moldavia’s independence.
In 1389, when the Ottomans attacked Wallachia, Mircea Basarab the Elder defeated the Ottomans and took Dobruja. Sultan Beyazid I crossed the Danube in 1394 to retake Dobruja with over 40,000 men, while Wallachia only had about 10,000 men. The two armies clashed at the Battle of Rovine where Mircea the Elder outsmarted and defeated the Ottomans again. In 1417, after Mircea the Elder died, the Ottomans attacked again, Wallachia lost Dobruja and became a vassal to the Ottoman Empire.
In 1456, Vlad III Basarab Tepes became ruler of Wallachia, most notably known as Vlad the Impaler or Vlad Dracula. He became renowned through Europe, not only for the devastating defeats he dealt to the Ottomans, but also for its legendary cruelty, which hundreds of years later would inspire the fictional character Dracula. In spite of its cruel and sadistic tendencies, it is a just ruler loved by honest folk. It was said that during its reign you could leave your gold purse unattended in the market without fear that someone will try to steal it. Its most notable victory was the Night Attack at Targoviste where 35.000 Wallachian troops stormed the camp of the Ottomans’ 100.000 troops trying to assassinate the Sultan. He reached the Sultan’s tent but the Sultan wasn’t there. Then the retrated. The Wallachians suffered 5.000 casualties while the Ottomans 15.000. His revolt against the Ottomans eventually failed and Wallachia was forced to pay tribute again.
In 1457, during the long reign of Vlad the Impaler’s contemporary and cousin, Stephen the Great, the state of Moldavia reached the height of its power, influence and independence. One of the greatest military commanders of its time, during his reign of 47 years, he won 46 battles and only lost twice, while outnumbered in most of his battles. He defeated: the Ottomans, the Wallachians, the Hungarians, the Poles and the Tattars. All his neighbours. In spite of his military skill, he was highly religious, didn’t like wars and wished for peace with other countries, but did what it had to do in order do to protect Moldavia. For every victory against the Ottomans he built a new church, because of it the region of Moldavia is full of churches to this day. He once asked all European nations to join it in a new crusade against the Ottomans, but nobody replied because they were too busy fighting each other.
In 1600, during the reign of Michael the Brave, a large unified fully independent native state was established on both sides of the Carpathian mountains for the first time since King Decebalus ruled Dacia. Michael the Brave became ruler of Wallachia in 1593, it defeated the Ottomans in 1595. Its most famous victory is the Battle of Calugareni where 10.000 Wallachian troops with 5.000 mercenaries defeated 100.000 Ottoman troops. The Wallachians suffered 1.000 casualties while the Ottomans 15.000. In 1599 he became the ruler of Transylvania and in 1600 ruler of Moldavia, uniting all romanian provinces under a single ruler. This state was short-lived, as Michael the Brave was assassinated in 1601. His seal from 1600 depicted the Black Eagle of Wallachia, the Aurochs Head of Moldavia, the Seven Hills of Transylvania and Two Rampant Lions affronts supporting the trunk of a tree, as a symbol of a reunited Dacia.
There were other revolts in Romanian history but these ones are the most “wow”. Not to mention the internal conflicts, the politics of medieval Romania makes Game of Thrones look like a children show.
Bengalis and Tamils are the Indians.
Jurchen are the Chinese.
Ah yes, Serbs and Croats areng Slavs then and Swisd arent Teutons but Bengalis and Tamils are Indians and Jurchen are Chinese. And all those civs were waayyy more powerful than these four civs and in the case of the Tamils and Bengalis they lasted way more.
And the second thing is falsr, Jurchen arent Chinese. Not to mention, Indians as aumbrella is more stupid than Slavs because the south isnt even related with the north language wise, and the north is still extremely varied too.
Yeah because we haven’t broken up any other umbrella civs like teutons, franks, and slavs…
Youre also not supporting breaking up European umbrella civs further…so what you got against breaking up non European umbrella civs?
