Balance changes from July Update guys!

[FurtherLime7936]

CIVILIZATION BALANCE

General

Battle Elephant [Standard & Elite]: Reduced trample damage from 50% to 25% .
Condottiero: Increased attack from 9 to 10 .

Byzantines

UNITS

Elite Cataphract: Reduced the food cost of the upgrade from 1600 to 1200 food . The gold cost is unchanged (800g).

TECHNOLOGIES

Logistica: Reduced the food cost of the upgrade from 1000 to 800 food . The gold cost is unchanged (600g).

Italians

TECHNOLOGIES

Pavise now also provides +1 melee armor and +1 pierce armor to Condottieri units.

Koreans

CIVILIZATION

As their civilization bonus, military units (except for siege weapons) now cost 20% less wood to train (was 15% ).

UNITS

War Wagon: Increased the base cost to train by +5 wood . After the civilization discount, the total cost is now 92 wood (was 94 ).
Turtle Ship: Increased the base cost to build by +10 wood . After the civilization discount, the total cost is now 152 wood (was 153 ).

Malay

UNITS

Karambit Warrior [Standard & Elite]: Decreased food cost from 30 to 25 food . The gold cost is unchanged (15g).

Portuguese

CIVILIZATION

As their civilization bonus, all units now cost 20% less gold to train (was 15% ).

UNITS

Caravel: Increased the base cost to build by +3 gold . After the civilization discount, the total cost is now 34.4 gold (was 34 ).

Tatars

UNITS

Flaming Camel: Increased attack bonus against elephants from +80 to +130 .
Flaming Camel: Increased blast radius from 1.5 to 2.0 .
No changes to Leitis!!! yeah baby #Hail Leitis
No changes to Teutons!!! yeah they still being the Ironclad.

Only complaints are no changes to the Kipchak and Turks

[JonOli12]

@FurtherLime7936

Byzantines

UNITS

Elite Cataphract: Reduced the food cost of the upgrade from 1600 to 1200 food . The gold cost is unchanged (800g).

TECHNOLOGIES

Logistica: Reduced the food cost of the upgrade from 1000 to 800 food . The gold cost is unchanged (600g).

YES!

@FurtherLime7936

Koreans

CIVILIZATION

As their civilization bonus, military units (except for siege weapons) now cost 20% less wood to train (was 15% ).

YES!

@FurtherLime7936

Portuguese

CIVILIZATION

As their civilization bonus, all units now cost 20% less gold to train (was 15% ).

YES!

You guys do listen to the community!

[FurtherLime7936]

Ya that changes are pretty good

[JoJo9942]

They forgot free town patrol noooo

[MatCauthon3]

@FurtherLime7936

General

Battle Elephant [Standard & Elite]: Reduced trample damage from 50% to 25% .
Condottiero: Increased attack from 9 to 10 .

These are okay but i think we have bigger fish to fry then the condottiero for Italians buff wise

@FurtherLime7936

Byzantines

UNITS

Elite Cataphract: Reduced the food cost of the upgrade from 1600 to 1200 food . The gold cost is unchanged (800g).

TECHNOLOGIES

Logistica: Reduced the food cost of the upgrade from 1000 to 800 food . The gold cost is unchanged (600g).

Good job here. straight from what many forum goer suggestions.

@FurtherLime7936

Italians

TECHNOLOGIES

Pavise now also provides +1 melee armor and +1 pierce armor to Condottieri units.

Again, glad for Condottieri, but what about the Crossbow?

@FurtherLime7936

Koreans

CIVILIZATION

As their civilization bonus, military units (except for siege weapons) now cost 20% less wood to train (was 15% ).

UNITS

War Wagon: Increased the base cost to train by +5 wood . After the civilization discount, the total cost is now 92 wood (was 94 ).
Turtle Ship: Increased the base cost to build by +10 wood . After the civilization discount, the total cost is now 152 wood (was 153 ).

pretty much straight up popular forum opinion again. Increase turtle and War Wagon price to keep them the same, boost wood discount.

@FurtherLime7936

Malay

UNITS

Karambit Warrior [Standard & Elite]: Decreased food cost from 30 to 25 food . The gold cost is unchanged (15g).

minor buff to Malay, no issue here.

@FurtherLime7936

Portuguese

CIVILIZATION

As their civilization bonus, all units now cost 20% less gold to train (was 15% ).

UNITS

Caravel: Increased the base cost to build by +3 gold . After the civilization discount, the total cost is now 34.4 gold (was 34 ).

Pretty standard again straight from what many forum goers decided upon.

@FurtherLime7936

Tatars

UNITS

Flaming Camel: Increased attack bonus against elephants from +80 to +130 .
Flaming Camel: Increased blast radius from 1.5 to 2.0 .

Shrug, Minor buff all around, i think Tatars deserved better then just a Flaming Camel buff.

Other Thoughts.
It would appear the devs are okay with the power of the Leitis.
They also appear to be okay with the Franks, Huns, Goths and others at the top.

I’m surprised at the lack of love for Turks.

[MatCauthon3]

@JonOli12

You guys do listen to the community!

this both surprises and scares me.

@JoJo9942

They forgot free town patrol noooo

yeah but Elite + Logistica got 600 total discount, which is a good chunk of savings.

[JonOli12]

@MatCauthon3

I’m surprised at the lack of love for Turks.

They probably just do not want to give them the base Trash options, and give away their identity.
I am sure if we could come up with an innovative yet balanced buff, the devs would consider it.

[JoJo9942]

@MatCauthon3

yeah but Elite + Logistica got 600 total discount, which is a good chunk of savings

I mean town patrol is still an unused meme

[Szebo210]

I love it all, excelt for battle elephants (I really do not understand that, it is a huge nerf. Like they weren’t op in teamgames anyways even with khmer, and in 1v1 now they become pretty useless)
Awesome job!

[Szebo210]

@MatCauthon3

Shrug, Minor buff all around, i think Tatars deserved better then just a Flaming Camel buff.

Uh tatars are better than huns imo (personal opinion). Tatars are one of my 3 most played civs for sure, they are pretty underrated (please don’t argue with stats, I know they have lower than avarage winrates).

[JonOli12]

@Szebo210

I love it all, excelt for battle elephants

BEs just crushed Halbs after a critical mass is achieved, or so I have been told.

[MatCauthon3]

@Szebo210

Uh tatars are better than huns imo (personaly opinion). Tatars are one of my 3 most played civs for sure, they are pretty underrated (please don’t argue with stats, I know they have lower than avarage winrates).

I think that i could agree with you, because i love tatars as a civ, but both winrates and playrates favor huns by drastic amounts.

[CactusSteak2171]

@JoJo9942

I mean town patrol is still an unused meme

Don’t forget bloodlines too 11

[MatCauthon3]

@CactusSteak2171

Don’t forget bloodlines too 11

no you took that the wrong way. he means town patrol is pretty unused period. at least that’s my read

anyway checking mongol event out. brb

[CactusSteak2171]

It’s another meme, on Ornlu’s stream

[MatCauthon3]

ah okay, i’m not as familiar with ornlu but i do check his stream more then some others who are way to popular in my opinion (memb).

[Szebo210]

@MatCauthon3

I think that i could agree with you, because i love tatars as a civ, but both winrates and playrates favor huns by drastic amounts.

The sheep bonus is awesome, lets you delay farms until you research horse collar + insane amount of bonus wood/food early game (depends on where you put villagers). Way stronger than the house bonus assuming you won’t get housed.
I found free thumb ring much more valueable than -10% cost in castle age. The cost reduction bonus basicly means you get +1 cavalry archer for every 9 which isn’t that big.
Much better lategame cavalry archers (with +1/3 armor), and free parthian tactic comes in handy. When you’re in imperial age you most likely got enough cavalry archers anyways that the -20% cost reduction doesn’t count much.
Tatars have FU camels which are insane versus cavalry, huns rather have stronger knight line (I prefer camels).
Hill bonus is awesome.
I think +2trebs are better than trebs with more accuracy.
Buffed flaming camel, who knows if it will be viable after the patch.
I found keshiks to be way more powerful in tarkans overall, you get a nearly as heavy tank as the paladin for basicly half the cost.

Huns are a way older civ with big reputations and cavalry archers are neither that popular amongst players these days I think this basicly explains the tatar winrate and playrate (rather than weakness)

Overall I’d go for a +10 gold cost for keshiks with higher gold generation rate change, but I think tatars are fine.

Small change to keshiks

I created this topic to start a balance discussion only about the Tatar’s (first) unique unit, the keshik. Current stats: -Cost: 50 food 40 gold -HP: 110/140 -Attack: 9/11 -Armor: 1/1 -Pierce armor: 2/3 -Training time: 16/14 -Reload / fire rate: 1,9 -Movement speed: 1,4 -Gold generation per mintue while attacking: 22 My thoughts: In my opinion the unit is at a pretty good place now, there is only one problem: getting a such tanky unit as a keshik with 140 HP and 3 pierce armor for 4…

[JoJo9942]

Lot of that stuff is castle dependant, Huns don’t have to rely on castles and their aggressive traits like faster stables and no houses is lot more helpful

[CactusSteak2171]

@Szebo210

I think +2trebs are better than trebs with more accuracy.

The Huns treb have their bonus for free tho, and right from the start, so they win in early treb wars which is quite nice.

@Szebo210

I found keshiks to be way more powerful in tarkans overall, you get a nearly as heavy tank as the paladin for basicly half the cost.

Keshik sure are nice, but they hit buildings like wet noodles, while when I’m Huns I just have to click Marauder to have my anti-camping wrecking ball super fast, which is even nicer.

[Sylux1000]

Overall pretty satisfied for Portuguese. Now I feel them way more solid. Similar for Koreans, that should be now a top water civ.

Ok minor changes to malay and tatars.

Very very good for Byzantines.

Very underwhelming the changes for Italians, which have not been helped where they need help, i.e., in the early stages. With the buff to Koreans and Portuguese, they are even weaker now, considering that they are basically the only low tier civ with turks.