hard nerf ? may be u need to hard learn the game ?
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they alreadxy nerfed train time for daimyo.
only thing that can be done is better mini map icon for daimyo , so it cant pass sneaking .
what ??? u dont know how japan works
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Japan does not need any daimyo for its standar mechanics, their units are strong enough to hold the line with villagers behind to build barracks and stuff. As any other civ !!!
Daimyo is a secundary unit and has no mayor effect on Japan gameplay, apart from being lame.
He did not know how to propose it well. The daimyo needs limitations, but removing itself is drastic.
What I proposed above was:
Have u ever heard of a word call ââ civ uniqueness ââ . So u think make every civ like European civ .
Better option is try to learn game , mak some goons and shoot daimyo ??? They canât move while training units , and if they arenât training units , u should have no issue .
Anyways many player now donât use them to train units , they use them as explorers for aura . They train way slower now .
I will suggest u learn to play .
After so many years passed Japan lovers are still saying others need to learn to play the game and uniqueness in the game.
So,
Because we need uniqueness, means we donât need to care how OP they are.
Although many people are thinking Japan is a problem, this is all their skill problem.
Solution: Nerf Japan everything to the ground. They still can fulfill: Uniqueness; Only Japan players donât know how to play the game if they lose.
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I know, they must be Otaku Japan lovers or something.
Never said that.
Easier said than done, in late game it has more than 1500HP with HC Cards+Golden Pavilion+ Dutch Arsenal. That thing is fast as an Uber, when players see you coming will insta stop training and run. Iâts so hard to catch it.
Well, the mayority of them uses Daimyo for trainning units.
Is that your best argument? Pathetic.
The problem is not just the daimyo. It is Japanese in general. The sum of all its advantages. Marvillas, very strong units, economy, repeatable cards.
Well ,
All the Asian Civs are,
based on extreme old stereotypical view of them.
And due to some reasons they are most neglected among all, by the devs.
Those claims of âcultural awarenessâ âcorrecting the wrongâ etc etc
Only seem to apply to Native american and others, but not the Asian civs, they all need a revisit, by the devs.
Well I assume this particular issue is talking about treaty? As we discussed elsewhere, treaty is really hard to balance without compromising supremacy and splitting the game up that way I donât think is ideal but then thatâs honestly not my problem and if thatâs what treaty players want, so be it.
Japan in supremacy, I really get annoyed about it. It sucks the fun out of the game with a massive straw.
Itâs not âOPâ in 1vs1. In team games its totally OP IMO. In 1vs1 though its very weak against timing pushes but my problem is they outscale every civ and win late except maybe Portugal and thatâs a big maybe because of Cass range resist and 4.5 speed rather then 4 meaning they donât get pounded the same way normal skirms do by Ashi but with enough Daimyo stacking and unit buffs I think even Cass lose to Yumi but i havenât tested this.
Even if true, Portugalâs mid game is a lot weaker and theyâll get overrun there and every other civ is on the clock to win the game in addition to Japan having a much easier economy to manage and keep safe. Destroying house factories is tedious as hell too. So the only way to beat Japan is to hit them with an age 2 or age 3 timing push. Too bad if you want to play the game another way. So even if its not âOPâ in a traditional sense, it still should be changed.
I would love to scrap the whole civ and burn it to the ground and rebuild into something different not built by bias idiots who believe Japan has to have the best soldiers cus they are SUPER WARRIOR CULTURE! Even their Muskets are super good when they had to be introduced to them by the Europeans and certainly not the ones with the bayonet. No bonus vs. cavalry for you chucklehead. The spear was a very prominent weapon in Japan and aside Ashi in melee, no unit wields it.
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Lmao , if u can scare a Japanese players daimyo , congratulations , now wall that area and get map control. 1500 hp is not much to kill ,
u can even kill a unit of 1500 hp with 2 shots of 3 horse art , or 5-6 goons
And my argument was perfect for u .
People like u donât try hard , and complain about small things instead of learning how to tackle them .
Dev have done great job at fixing daimyo already . Daimyo train much slower now , even with 10 units batch , u can easily overpower them with ur military if Japanese player is making units just from daimyo
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Like if thatâs a problem for Morutaru and Samurai.
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Lol, maybe that fantasy works in a perfect scenario where Daimyo is alone. Imperial horse artillery is plain 6 speed 218 attack also it needs to get in Bombard Mode (how the F are you going to take down a Daimyo whit this? And Iâm the one that needs to learn playing 
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Goons are 7.25 speed. Any Daimyo full stacked is 7.5 speed !!! Meaning they can overrun everything!
Full Shogun Tokugawa is 3375HP, absorbs 30% of ranged attacks, and has 7.5 speed. Anything more OP than that does not exist.
Easy to kill, maybe in your dreams. How are you going to kill that if everything you have is slower?
When was that? In last update Japan has minnor changes.
Thats not the case in the mayority of games, only noobs will fully relly on Daimyos. TBH, I really donât know how you keep defending this.
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Becoz killing daimyo is easy , if someone just using daimyo is not a problem .
And who use samurai ?? People using samurai are not good players (except hatamoto tho , but u ca t train them on daimyo)
Gave you like 5 reason why that itâs not true.
They do not use full samurai, but a batch of 10 is a pain in the azz sieging walls because they got one of the highest siege damage.
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no good player use samurai , u r playing with bad ones , thats explain ur comments
There are other ways to play the same civ, I have seen pro players losing cause they wait for the same strategy each time. Like he is saying a batch of some samurais can take down buildings in seconds. If you need a quickly attack but the shogun isnt there, sams are the best option.
Stop saying how people has to play.
Daymios and the Shogun should be nerfed down to 1000 HP. That should be their HP after you stack all the cards they have.
That will make them easy to snipe with the Dragoons !
#makeithappen DEVS
I prefer to nerf hatamotos spamming, I laugh each time when I see the update patch that said that good faith agreements no longer affects consulate units train time while adds train time bonus to migrants, becoming hatamotos training faster