Of course, the developers are playing it safe by excluding the Tanguts and Tibetans from the DLC, likely prioritizing the Chinese market over their broader audience. It also seems like an attempt to avoid controversy with the Chinese government, which does not officially recognize the Tanguts or Tibetans in that context. Unfortunately, all the hype they managed to build up feels wasted. This release is just another disappointment, much like Vanquish and Victors.
So they make a typical product called âThree Kingdomsâ, in order to attempt to bring the Chinese market to AoE2, but it backfires. Instead, most of the Chinese players hated it.
Itâs âdevs thought Chinese government didnât recognize Tangut and Tibetâ, not they really didnât.
Even besides those two, there are still Baipo, Xianbei, Balhae, Qiangic, Yue, Tuyuhun, Uyghur to choose. You couldnât find any excuses for their terrible decision.
In fact, we are taught Tanguts and Tibetans were not under Chinaâs control during that period. I donât see any reason to get censorship for adding Tanguts and Tibetan into the game.
Here is the map on our latest history textbook for high school which clearly seperates Southern Song, Jurchens(Jin), Tanguts(Xi Xia/West Xia), Mongols, Khitans(Xi Liao/West Liao), Tibetans and Dali:
Another map for Northern Song period on the same textbook, which seperates Northern Song, Khitans(Liao), Tanguts(Xi Xia/West Xia), Uighurs, Tibetans and Dali:
Uyghurs are also already featured in Genghis Khan 1 and we all know whatâs currently happening in Xinjiang, an argument can be made that itâs worse than in Tibet.
Plus about the Tibetans, they are an officially recognised minority by the chinese government (Uyghurs too). Tanguts arenât but itâs because they disappeared centuries ago and merged into other peoples after the mongol conquests, such as the Qiang who consider themselves to be their successors (comparable to Jurchens => Manchus). Qiang are also on the list, Manchus too.
So the whole idea that portraying Tibetans would be illegal in China is indeed widely inflated.
Koreans, Vietnamese, Tatars and Russians (Slavs) are also on the list (and China seems interested in getting Outer Manchuria back, which used go be under Qing control until Russia grabbed it in the 19th century).
I havenât even completed Victors & Vanquished but I have enjoyed it so far. I guess you also hate Return Of Rome, and only settle for âthe very bestâ˘â DLC?
Itâs more likely that someone saw dollar signs in their eyes at the sight of Three Kingdoms, and decided to go for low-hanging fruit rather than any actual Chinese history from the Middle Ages, and civs from the correct time period.
So following your logic, when the Conqueror got released, microsoft censored the expansion by not picking Swiss ? Nonsense.
Think for one second, just one. Is it done ? Okay, now: âSony Playstationâ
Then, if you donât like the game anymore, why do you keep loosing your time here ? Real question, complaining wonât solve your problem, as it seems way too deep for the dev to make you happy again. Then maybe itâs time for you to search another game youâll enjoy more than one that seems to dissapoint you with each new thing it got released for it.
Sometime, itâs the player that have to realize his place is not anymore on the game heâs loosing interest for, not the devs to change their product to the extrem.
I assure you, my dear customer, the Khitanguts are absolutely essential to the story of the Three Kingdoms (or rather the beginning of the Three Kingdoms period)
This isnât true. Especially Tanguts are far less sensitive â there are no Tanguts today anymore, like Cuman/Kipchaks, Goths.
The only concern players have raised has been whether Tibetan introduction will be perceived as Westerners promoting their identity.
Introducing Tibetan civ, while might cause concern among Chinese players, the concerns would have been more about fearing gov overreaction over a medieval game and sympathetic to aoe2 devs.
Otherwise, people are aware they are a different people group, evidenced by their very distinct traditions and life styles (sometimes referred to in a very politically incorrect ways which Iâm not going to elaborate).
Heck, if they feel lazy they could just mostly copy the BaiduWikiâs page for the history section. I saw it has mostly the essentials.
On the other hand, if they feel too risk-averse, they can just not introduce Tibetans. But itâs hard to overstate how out of place 3K feels alongside Chinese to many Chinese players.
Oh yeah, another repercussion that I can see personally is whether this would put Chinese pro players under extra annoying scrutiny (imagine they play tournament as Bodpa vs Chinese).
Maybe re-naming Chinese could solve it.
I find it amusing that you all insist on discussing this censorship system as if it truly exists, when in reality there clearly is no such thing.
This shouldnât even be a topic for discussion. The paradox is: when no one talks about it, the problem remains non-existent. But when the entire world obsesses over discussing this fabricated issue, what was never real somehow manifests into an actual problem through sheer force of collective imagination.
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