CIV Grid/Civ-Matchups

The 1250+ and 1800+ sometimes get hidden as there is still work to fix things up

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im the creator of this video and work closely with the people who make the grid. iā€™ll have another video out soon going over both the stregnths and limitations of this grid and address a lot of peoples concerns and opinions about it and just like last time iā€™ll be joined by spades who actually works on it and created the original grid in the first place

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Civ Rank 1250+ with around 74 being the ā€˜balancedā€™

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I think after yesterdays patch (13.58326) we need to have new, separate tab with current results. There were important balance changes inside the patch so we donā€™t want to mix old data with new ones.

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already asked them, the answer: ā€œthe plan is to include NEW civ grid tabs that are only taking data in the new patch, but to also keep the old data so there becomes a ā€œcurrent patchā€ section and an ā€œall timeā€ sectionā€

so pretty much what u suggested :slight_smile:

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Thatā€™s perfect. Thank you! :wink:

Iā€™m calling it, Malta and Russia will be F tier, Lakota S Tier, and maybe Ottos S tier.

All cav builds have been strengthened significantly, weā€™ll see people complaining soon enough.

russia got 10more pop for cossaks now

Iā€™m well aware, I too read the notes. Doesnā€™t do anything until late-game. They suffer in early to mid game still.

Russia werenā€™t particularly weak though, I saw malta/portugal/inca/italy all far lower win rate than russia. Italy got some good changes and portugal might be ok now feitorias got buffed but Iā€™d be very surprised to see inca and malta in better position since this patch if anything their win rates will drop.

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New data of the patch

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Iā€™m wondering how often the data update once?

every day minimum, sometimes 2 times a day

How aztecs are balanced if they only win in 8-10min??

not every civ has to be good all the time, aztecs are good at rushing

But they shouldnt be attached to a single kind of strategy. Also, if they arent that Strong in later stages of the game (when ERKs are trained), then they werent that strong.

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Aztec is rush better than ONLY boom civs but not better compared to normal rush civs, and they are weak at all aspect now.

Aztec rush was nerfed but they have never been top tier before.
Now they still need to receive more nerf for after-rush game.

Ridiculous.

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Initial Data 1100+

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Lakota top isnā€™t a surprise since the buff to cav against light infantry they were already strong. Otto got some buffs, the nerf to torps wasnā€™t enough as expected.

Iā€™m surprised hausa havenā€™t improved more though not many people play them so perhaps due to lack of games.

Portugal was obviously gonna remain in last place because yet again they canā€™t bring themselves to just buff feitorias reasonably. All that was needed was to buff it as they did though perhaps a little more to food now they removed xp trickle and not touch the base gather rate to food. They buffed feitorias but removed the 5% faster food gathering of vills which equates to doing nothing basically.

I expect to see malta drop further due to the nerf to xbow siege damage of 40% and xp penalty, they werenā€™t great just a little below average win rate and they nerf them considerably with no buffs in other areas. Itā€™s fine to fix broken mechanics but there should be buffs to other stuff to compensate.

Inca will also remain bottom tier as long as the trend of constant unnecessary nerfs continues. Russia I guess is victim to the cav/light inf changes as well. Maybe just give them boyars back at this point.

The changes to italy seem to have worked, they feel balanced now because they were definitely underperforming before almost to the level of ports.

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Bit early to draw conclusions, only 2500 games. Iā€™m going to wait till 10000 games

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