Commonwealth and Denmark general post

aye, they couldn’t even bother to name em.

Dear lord.

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To be fair, European civilizations are easy, cheap and profitable to make, but in my opinion they are a lazy option when they are DLCs so close together and even more so if we take into account that there are already many European civilizations in the game.

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I hope they are original enough.

I know
and that is a horrible mistake the devs made which I hope will never be repeated

“mexican” is another name for aztec and Aztecs are already in the game. hell, they even have the same capital. Aztecs + Spanish (maybe add french) revolt is more than enough to represent that region of the world

The current “mexican” playable civ should be reworked to represent the mayans and other central american peoples through whatever resistance they managed to put up against the spanish.

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Mexico atleast was an empire.

Which could also apply to gran colombia and brasil. But i’d rather see persia and siam before that.

I doubt it, for me European civilizations are the antithesis of originality and that is why revolutions for me are the best part, because the base bores me, although looking at Italy and Malta I might be wrong.


I disagree. Mexico is the best civilization the game has, not only was it not a mistake, it was exactly what the game needed, post-colonial civilizations are, in my opinion, perfect for the game by design.

Good, interesting, well-thought-out design is just that. It requires an equally large amount of work, experience and expertise, regardless of the theme of civilization being worked on.
They are not cheap. Office rent and salaries of employees is the same, regardless if they’re working on a European colonial power or a small African nation. Game development is not cheap in general, and certainly, it doesn’t get cheaper because of the historical flavor of the work.

How are these things lazy? Somehow most of their work on Denmark is done, because they included Malta? Where’s the logic in that?
Instead of looking at how fun and interesting they are to play, you’re getting hung up on the fact that they technically are based on the same continent?
That does not seem reasonable.

People were laughing and complaing about Malta, where in reality is packed with interesting mechanics, unique buildings, units, great theme and identity. Same with ‘uhh, European, boring’ Italy, that also very unusual in many smaller aspects.

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oh boi, mexico is a massive balance concern, far too young and will always be a balance concern due to it’s wierd design.
And i say that as someone that likes mexico.

Guys you are a bit to negative. We finally got a dlc announcement that shows that the game is not dead.

Also, Europe is now complete (I hope they add the remaining maps including Greenland). That means the way is free for my dream civs Persia, Morocco, Siam and Korea.

Stay optimistic

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You cannot have a game where archers, crossbows are prevalent, where civilizations such as aztecs and inca are playable and expect to have a purely 19th century entity at the same time.

It makes absolutely no sense. You either go for renaissance/ early modern period or you go full steam with napoleonic era but you can’t have both in the same game and expect players to take you seriously.

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They haven’t gone out of civilizations yet, so I don’t think I can comment on this specific issue.


European civilizations are the most recyclable, and they do not require as much research as African, Asian, indigenous and post-colonial civilizations.


Read the part where I clarify that this only applies if there are two European DLCs in a row.


Ok, forgive me, I thought we were talking about AOE3 not AOE2.

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For those who want to check out the stream!

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they can just make a colaboration with War of Liberty team. Since many Civs introduced there, later came officially to AoE 3.

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How so? That’s not true since 2005. Original civilizations are built around the same template, and that’s about it.
Since then only three new European civs were introduced- Sweden, Malta and Italy. Sweden is the closest the these original ones, but that’s one civilization, a bonus packed with the release of 3DE.

Research? You’re mixing a separate subject. They all require a lot of research. I have no idea how the existence of France or the Netherlands helped create unique units, mechanics, and buildings for any of these three mentioned above…

If there’s a shortcut to be found, it’s arguably in the art department, where you can (probably) share a handful of building models, more than compared to a civ from a completely different cultural group, and you can get away with sharing ‘European market building’, where it would not pass in regard to far-east Asian one for example.
With units it’s even less. Most civs have their reskin of ‘a musketeer’ unit with some stats reshuffled etc, but the vast majority of special units is simply original work.
The same amount of work is required to voice them, create 3D models, animations, portraits, sound effects etc.

Not liking these civs is fine. But saying outright that they’re ‘lazy, boring’ is simply non-substantive and disingenuous, especially towards people that work hard on making them.
Civilization is going to be not fun to play because you dislike the continent it’s coming from?

And in the end- you could make the same point about Brazil or Korea, reusing a LOT of buildings, mechanics, and units from existing assets attached to American/Asian civs.
You can ‘photoshop’ a Swedish building for Denmark the same way you can with Japanese for Korea. Etc.

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To this I would add that the European civs take the least time to do (As long as content is reused), if the AOE3 devs are busy also working on AOM-R, then they have little time to do anything else.

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My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.

I wanted to receive a Safavid Persia & Joseon Korea DLC …

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To be honest watching the stream reminds me of DoW III marketing video years ago which is full of cringe.

No wonder many being negative. I mean with the rough communication in almost a year and several bugfest and questionable balance, the stream news earlier this month does make a big hype in the community. But the stream only tease that 2 civ dlc + late 2024 in less than a minute out of 2 hours stream, what’s more they present it in a most dull way like they just want to skip to the next segment.

About polish and danes, there is already a leak of the game flag art file in the forum, yet they can’t even show how the civs gonna looks like in game? Like a single unique unit art, concept, etc.?

I’m not saying that the new civs gonna be bad, I’m saying they can do so much more in presenting the game.

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Meh, Malta was the civ to set the bar low. Danish and Polish are significantly better.

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Whether you like it or not, that’s my opinion.

Personally, I put some effort in and am now happy to get these civs.

I realized that the initial sadness was not due to the civ choices, but because of how badly they treated us.

Hyped us up for 3 weeks, when what they should have done was say, “Hey AoE3 people, we will have a DLC for you late 2024, and on the livestream we will reveal the civs. But nothing else.”

Happy to have a DLC. Sad to be given such an unceremonious reveal.

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