Demeter is 2nd least popular to play and has 3rd worst win rate then when advancing into Mythical Age her unique age up choice of Persephone is not that popular with Hera easily being the top pick. Demeter needs more of a buff to Persephone age up then we got in the last patch.
I suggest giving Persephone a new tech that effects Demeter’s unique Amazon Archer’s for example the effect of the tech would increase Amazon Archer build limit and allows them the ability to switch between range and melee attacks at will.
Something needs to be done to get more people to play Demeter and use her unique Mythical Age up choice of Persephone more.
Move the healing farms tech to heroic age, and move the + population farm tech to mythic, Hestia not getting a healing tech makes no sense, while the pop tech would be much better in mythic.
Make Amazon a horse archer unit, remove the cap and make it a 3 pop unit with slightly weaker stats.
Remove almost every current Demeter bonus and replace with something else, for example a greek civ strongly focused on farms and with an easier farm transition would be hella fun.
Obviously buff Pan, Persephone etc, they are so badly designed that is not even fun.
IMO, Demeter wise the heph change made her late game worse, which is where she was supposed to shine.
Hera and persephone bring similar power dynamics to the table. Both are big power spike in the mythic age god power followed by some techs with less scaling so which ever one is better will outshine the other permanently.
That said, the GP nerf to persephone made it quite weak imo, siren isnt really a good MU and the farm tech on mythic feels lackluster.
All this said, i doubt persephone is gonna be popular even if broken since defensive gods are quite a niche, as we can see with all the other least played gods.
i very much agree that Demeter herself and Persephone need buffs and at best changes.
Hera is great as she is i hope they see this and do not change Hera. Persephone needs the help.
I personally would also change her techs, her GP and overhaul Siren completely from top to bottom plus upgrade.
Demeter needs at best a complete overhaul aswell even tho i like the idea of two workers per farm and herdables generate favour but those need adjustments and the others should get replaced. (maybe even the herdable one)
Also honestly speaking i personally would have made Hamadryad a melee unit and Siren a range unit.
Wither should get completely replaced. Demeter should either have an economy boosting GP like e.g. Fuxi’s “Peach Blossom Spring” or a dmg dealing one like “Forest Protection” but maybe offensive. → those would fit her identiy also much better in my opinion.
Also Demeter’s unique Divine Labor tech needs some improvement such as allow it to be researchable from your resource drop off buildings instead of just your Town Center.
I think with persephone they should just give her an animate dead ability that can be used mid battle similar to the death knight in warcraft 3.
Sirens should be buffed. Hamadryads should have their nerf reverted completely its as fine as is. And finally Hera should allow infinite amazons at the very least (really they should be infinite regardless a minor god)
Sirens don’t synergize with the Eidolon god power at all. What’s the point of making Sirens if you want to cast that god power immediately and get a bunch of free myth units anyway?
Fire Giants in the original game were tanky myth units that synergized well as all-purpose units after the Ragnarok power spike was over, especially alongside Ballistae or Jarls.
I’m not opposed to a total rework of the Eilodon godpower to be honest.
I hated losing Hephaestus age up choice when it was first done because Demeter was supposed to be the one from the Greeks you wanted to play for economy strength but without Hephaestus your late game economy isn’t that good without Plenty Vault.
Now with having Amazon Archer’s I want Hephaestus age up choice even more because I would like to make those Amazon Archer’s stronger from Olympian Weapons God tech. Currently Amazon Archer’s have no God techs that make them better which sucks.
Yes Giving Demeter Hera over Hephaestus was a bad choice and they should of ignored that suggestion because Persephone just doesn’t have a good reason to not go Hera unlike Hephaestus when Hera vs. Persephone is
Hera’s Lightning Storm > Persephone’s Underworld Invasion
Hera’s Medusa > Persephone’s Siren
Hera’s God tech’s overall > Persephone’s god tech’s overall
They could make Persephone more popular by making Underworld Invasion summon fallen warriors that are controllable (smaller numbers) without it destroying your Town Centers and adding a new tech that improves your Amazon Archer’s like I suggested. It might not make Persephone more popular then Hera but I think it will make it closer then it currently is between the two Goddesses.
is such a cool idea! i would also really like to see that change! like a stronger “greek” ancestors version.
amazons should get adjusted and with unlimited building. hamadryads should have more health and should be melee in my opinion (then the stun would make even more sense), and sirens should be ranged and with an upgrade they should be able to fly. my opinion. (i also would make base siren darker in colour and upgrade white like its currently baseline)
i think we all appreciate they look at the hamadryad (and partly siren) but i agree they need other improvements/adjustments (i already mentioned my opinion but i am no game dev)
In my opinion, Hestia’s population-boosting tech should be swapped for Persephone’s unit-healing tech. The population-boosting tech would be a great fit for Persephone, as it’s very strong, and it would give Persephone a boost in terms of Hera options.The Siren, while underrated, is very strong if micromanaged. Persephone’s infantry boost is very strong. The only thing I would change is that tech, which is only good for defensive purposes and is more suited to Hestia.
It might not synergize with divine power, but it’s still useful. Ultimately, you can use the power as an emergency, and even when you don’t use it, the bonus still applies. For now it still works this way if you choose Hestia.
Or the healing farm tech could give a regeneration bonus to all units or buff Amazons. Basically, the fact that she can heal while standing on farms seems disappointing for a Mythic era tech.
The Eidolon godpower should get a rework imo, it simply doesn’t synergize with anything Demeter brings to the table, but that’s also is the case for Wither.
Sure, but at that point the earlier the better. This would help boost part of the difference in power between persephone and Hera, but would make Demeter´s overall late game power weaker and rather help more aphrodite.
Kinda yea. But demeter as a whole got changes that didnt fit her imo but pleased more casual players that just wanted medusa for example, so i guess its fine if she remains with that design intent.
