Denmark and Poland is coming now

Age of Empires III: DE III - Discussion
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Haitians expelled all white people except Germans and Poles.

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''expelled", seriously ? I suggest you read a little about the independance of Haiti before saying such nonsense.

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Just another small thing:

Denmark and Poland were both dual kingdoms/nations.
Now British were a union of a few countries but it’s always seen as one country aside from the odd Jacobite rebellion and Sweden was Sweden-Norway at the end of AoE3’s timeline (which in the begining led to Norwegian’s independence very briefly - new revolution idea there for Sweden) - however Denmark and Poland were far more distinctive with their dual nations of Denmark-Norway and Poland-Lithuania

Maybe (IF they are full civs) they both share an extra gimmick/trait to other Euros by having this dual nation aspect appear in gameplay, whether it be some kind of Home City swapping or having to choose whether you’ll focus on a mainly Danish tech tree but ship in Norwegian Ski Troopers and dedicated most of shipments to Polish units and building wagons as you’ve gone down the route of mainly Lithuanian units and techs


4 Euro nations for the price of 2?
Then Euro-fever is sated and we can move on to the non-Euros - Persia, Korea, Omani, Siam, Shona, Kongo, Haida, Mapuche, Polynesians are all waiting! (sorry)

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Why not give it a little try with the information on Wikipedia?

Danish UU in assumption:

  • HĂŠren, the musket-armed royal army for Danes and Norwegians.
  • Gunbouts, small, cheap Danish combat shallops with high mobility and high training limits.
  • Gunships, pine schooner-rigged vessels from Norway.

Norwegian Revolution, more military and emphasis on navy.

  • Ships 20 Hvervede (lit. long-service volunteers) and 1 Gunship.
  • Turns Settlers into Landvern (lit. territorial defense, the reserve force).
  • Increases Gunship limit to 8.

Features:

  • Hvervede are skirmisher units, trainable at Barracks.
  • Landvern are Revolutionary-like units with fast speed.
  • Ski Troopers could be trainable skirmishers, or powerful units only available by shipments, or a card that improves infantry speed and LoS.
  • Some cards to improve naval and defensive buildings.
  • HĂŠren get +25% HP.

Iceland Revolution, more economical.

  • Turns Explorer into HöfuĂ°smaĂ°ur (lit. head man), the Captain of Iceland.
  • Ships 5 Herfylkingin (lit. “The Battalion”).
  • Recieves 3 HĂĄkarl crates (renamed from Surströmming crates) when every shipment arrives.
  • Turns Settlers to Icelanders (or Islendingar).
  • Turns Militias into Icelandic Militias.

Features:

  • HöfuĂ°smaĂ°ur can train Herfylkingin, up to 20.
  • Herfylkingin are cheap musketeers with a State Militia-like aura.
  • Icelanders are villagers good at farming can build Mills cheaper.
  • Icelandic Militias are armed with old halberds, which are cheap and can be levied multiple times.
  • Atgeir as a card can enhance the melee attack of Icelanders and infantry, especially Icelandic Militias.
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You want to name the Danish infantry “army”?

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Just picky on naming? If there is a better name it is of course welcome.
I said it was just a try. Mainly due to the fact that the term HĂŠren applies to both Denmark and Norway, it would make sense for Norway to provide this musketeer unit improvement.

However, the way of naming units in the game does not have to be rigorous, so I think HĂŠren is not unacceptable.

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if you want a name for a musketeer id suggest landsoldat or landmilits

there are also some regiment names one could draw names for if needed

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There aren’t a lot of reasonable Danish unique units. This is pretty much it for units that are actually unique and not just a generic unit with its name translated into Danish:

Friskytte/Snaphaner - Early light infantry
Ski Troopers - Advanced light infantry
Espingol - Rapid fire artillery

Unique naval units like Gunboats

But there’s nothing wrong with giving them primarily standard units like musks, halbs, hussars, etc.

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Good. Let those of you guys who know more about Europeans handle the naming or something.
As an Asian, I didn’t know and frankly don’t really care what it’s called.
All this is just to prove that the Iceland Revolution can definitely have different characteristics from the Norwey, but you just focus on the term.

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Lansoldat is pretty well known term, and it pretty much exclusively refers to the late part of this period. if i google it i get 100s of status etc. of the slesvig wars and its not a term used in the modern day for danish infantry. is it the most unique name? no but neither is needlegunner, and unlike needlegunner its not a made up term. cassador just is portugese for hunter, which is something most countries had some version off.

like its extremely rare we get something the likes of redcoats where it so exclusively refers to 1 countries soldiers.

also Espigols also existed as handguns, if we want we could have 2 rapid fire gun units in a danish roster, which personally im against.

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But not any actual soldiers


It’s just “Country Soldier” translated into Danish. Needle Gunner is an upgrade for a standard unit based on the weapons of the Franco-Prussian war, so that’s not a good comparison. Landsoldat would be an okay name for a royal guard musk, but not a unique unit.

So is jaeger and chasseur. Most countries name their light infantry after hunters, and English is kind of the exception.

Espigols should be artillery only. Snaphane as rapid fire light infantry is completely different from that.

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Absolutely. I’m all for a more ‘traditional’ Euro civ that doesn’t have vast amounts of unique units (as long as it has a smart gimmick/trait)

Besides, if Poland makes it in, it will be in a big contrast as their military was all fairly unique.

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image
idk looks like a soldier to me.

thing is i want them to start weaker, esp to melee, its part of the faction design to make them unique.

snaphane is a swedish propaganda term, coming from old road robbers, and should not be used for any danish units. friskytter most closely related to militia (volunteer soldiers) and should therefore not be barracks units. Denmark IMO should not have skirmishers/crossbows before age 3.

there also the other option of you know adding the kalthoff repeater as a unit, would be super unique from a gameplay POV, but i also feel its a bit too fantasy despite the faction it was actually used in combat.

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Some people said that the rev flags weren’t hidden at all. Anybody can check?

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Maybe they appear in Unknown as some sort of an easter egg.

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This would be the saddest and simultaneously funniest thing that happens.

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I didn’t mean overall, I’ve meant during the PUP :sweat_smile:
Also I’ve looked in the files and found nothing new, so we gotta wait for the next PUP update to see any changes.

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Hehe, I know - it would be a very extravagant trolling from the Devs otherwise :smile:

On a different subject, whilst a speculative Denmark and their speculative units would be great, I think they should also introduce Pigs to the (non-Muslim civ) Livestock pens! They’re very much linked to the Danes as they became a mass exporter of them during the 19th century.

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It’s literally just a statue who’s name translates into “Country Soldier”. It’s a monument to all the soldiers of the nation, not a name for any specific type of soldier. All the references are to that one statue, and it was built in the early 1800s so that’s why it doesn’t seem modern.

I’d do their units like this:

Barracks

Age 2: Musketeer and Friskytter (early rifle infantry)
Age 3: Halberdier (with an Atgeir card that strengthens them and possibly enables them earlier)
Age 4: Ski Troopers (Advanced mobile rifle infantry)

Stable

Dragoons and Hussars

Foundry

Replace Falconets with Espingol

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its litterally a dude in the 1848-64 outfit.

i do know of an older illustration from the 1600 or 1700s, its just really hard to find, which says something along the lines of “the cheeky and noble landsoldat”, depicting a musketeer because that was what they were, the where your typical line infantry supported by the standing army of more specialized troops.

i found it:

http://www.thorshoj.dk/landmilitsen.htm

“Den kékke, ferme og flinke Landsoldat” roughly translate to “the cheeky (or handsome), firm and friendly (or good) landsoldat”

so its a long and term, going back to at least the formation of the landmilits around 1701, and it is a reference to a unit type, not all danish soldiers where this, large parts of the army continued to be professional soldiers, while this is a sort of levy or early conscript system of training civilians to be able to call them up during conflict.

what id do is:

Barracks:

pikeman

landsoldat (age 2, poor melee)

skirmisher/skitrooper/skarpskytte (whatever name you want lol, with the resent changes to how guard upgrades work it doesn’t HAVE to be a unique unit i guess) (age 3)

towncenter:

friskytte (limited by how many towncenters you have, they are volunter resistance fighters and not a part of the standing or semi standing army)

art foundry:

fodgarde (grenadier replacement, mix unit with musk, in theory could have repeaters but not necessary)

Espigol replaced horse artillery (almost everyone replaces falcon, this seems more unique to me)