Desires vs. Expectations: Who joins the Vikings?

Let’s separate heart from logic. We’re doing two polls today:

  • First poll: Vote for the civilization you wish to be added alongside the Vikings.

  • Second poll: Vote for the one you predict will actually arrive.

Let’s see if your desires match your expectations! :heart_on_fire: :brain:

DESIRE
  • Aztecs
  • Berbers
  • Bulgarians
  • Celts
  • Ethiopians
  • Incas
  • Khmer
  • Koreans
  • Lithuanians
  • Mayas
  • Poles
  • Portuguese
  • Spanish
  • Timurids
  • Venetians
0 voters
EXPECTATIONS
  • Aztecs
  • Berbers
  • Bulgarians
  • Celts
  • Ethiopians
  • Incas
  • Khmer
  • Koreans
  • Lithuanians
  • Mayas
  • Poles
  • Portuguese
  • Spanish
  • Timurids
  • Venetians
0 voters

The Vikings actually traded with the Northern Native American Clans. I would still like to see one of them explored with the game. Vikings and the Cherokee or something.

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Since the Vikings are European, I would go with the Aztecs (because they already included them in AoMR and they will want to continue with the American theme started with TLC in AoE 2 and now the Aztecs in AoMR)

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The most fitting for the Viking-Native contact would be the Beothuk but sadly we known very little about them.

The Mikmak are an interesting lot, they had hieroglyphic proto-writing and, following their conversion to Catholicism, a legend about defeating the Templars in battle and capturing their battle standard (hence the flag). Not sure though if myths like cross-ocean Templars would fit in an AoE4 campaign, AoE3 and AoM might be better fits.

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It would explain how they had access to siege weaponry from a lore/story point of view within the game’s environment as well. This would allow them to better engage in the battles present in AOE IV. It is also a unique opportunity to tell their story, which civilization irritatingly keeps trying to sweep under the rug.

It’s a fun what-if that provides an opportunity to pitch then against the existing Templars variant civ, the issue is that it definitely did not happen in real life (sorry, I’d sooner believe in the Irish arriving in pre-Columbian Americas than the Templars). I wouldn’t mind personally, but others might be pissed about inclusion of legends and conspiracy theories in the game.

It definitely has to be historically accurate, and I don’t recall the Templars waging war against the Native Americans either. Creating discord is not a good thing when telling history correctly. Something the predecessors of history could have learned. However, that is just from the story view. At some point in the game they will face them, just as all the factions fight eachother in the game, yet that isn’t historically accurate. Sometimes, with a game you can bend the rules a bit, just not when telling the story correctly. I think the Age devs have done a tremendous job of delivering on historical relevance so far. Age of Empires is actually a cleaver and great way to learn/teach history.

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Yes, anything is possible… you have the Templars in AoE4, in AoE 3 you have more gunpowder units, and in AoM you can delve deeper into the mythology, although there aren’t any Templars there…

Like the legend of the Seven Cities of Cibola??? Hehehe

I made a concept for April Fools’ Day, but it was a joke, obviously it wouldn’t work so well for Age of Empires IV.

I mean, I even included Cyber-Gilded-Dragons!

[CONCEPT] The Seven Cities of Cibola (EL DORADO) - Concept by GoldenArmorX - April 1st


Maybe for a theoretical Age of Mythology 2: a hybrid beetween AoEIV and AoM but in Middle Age, with epic heroes and Dragons… and vampire, werewolves, zombies, witches, etc.

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AoM already has Norse so Middle Ages are on the table imho.

Spanish please!!! 20 Char

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Norse, Japanese, Aztecs, probably Incas too… the game is already fully medieval, except for Greeks, Egyptians and Chinese…

When are they going to give us that promised spring news?

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Timurids seem the most interesting to add for now. Then maybe in a future DLC they add Inca and Aztec to get us on that side of the earth.

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If a player seeks a civilization featuring passive resource gathering, a late-game gold advantage, and specialized ranged units, the Venetians, Portuguese, or Celts would be ideal candidates to incorporate those specific traits.

norse type already have , The Knights Templar is the superior civilization, and introducing a single new one with similar traits would be the best approach.

The Timurids are the Golden Horde…it’s another thing entirely to include them in AoM, but that will take a while…

The Timurids fought the Golden Horde… The one thing they had in common is the Turco-Mongol/Tatar character.

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Well, the Timurids were technically an evolution of the Chagatai Khaganate, led by Timur, which seized Persia and the former territories of the Ilkhanate. Also he made a lot of vassal states (like Jin Dynasty).

In essence, Timurids could be a variant of the Mongols, at least for historical origin. However, they changed so much that they only retained their military tactics from the Mongols, but about other things:

  • Their architecture was not Mongol, as they adapted the architecture of the Ilkhanate in Persia, or of the former Khorasmite Empire.

  • Their official language was Persian, although they also spoke Chagatai-Turkic.

  • They built forts and walled cities.

  • They converted to Islam, so there were no Ovvos or shamans, but Mosques and Madrasas.

I doubt that if they enter the game, it will be as a Mongol variant, since they wouldn’t even share anything a variant usually share.

Perhaps they devs could consider starting with the Khorezmite Empire (1077-1231), which were the medieval Persians, then the Timurid Empire as a variant, and then the Safavid Empire as another variant. That way they would have Persian architecture for 3 civilizations, a language, and a wonder.


Khorezmite Empire - Flag

In fact, I never considered a Khorezmite empire possible because I didn’t believe any civilizations could end before 1500… but now that the Jin Dynasty (1115-1234) exists, and even the Vikings (793-1066) and the Templars (1119-1307 CE), they very well could have existed. I’ve already been inspired for another concept, hehehe.

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Yes, in theory they would be a Mongol variant, but leaning more towards Abbasid due to Islam and the use of camels in their armies… perhaps a mix between Mongols and Abbasids?..