Disciples could look better

Age of Empires III: DE III - Discussion
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I love you, thank you so much!!

You’ve done more than enough already but just in case: Can they snare? Do they have multipliers versus cavalry/shock infantry?

49

Thank you. What do you mean if they can snare? I’m not a native English speaker, I thought snare is the speed penalty when suffering an attack. And, exactly, what bonuses want give them?

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So these are the bonuses I envision and hopefully they make it to the game too (this is not a list of demands, you’ve gone above and beyond already):

  1. Snare: Disciples slow down enemy units when they hit them
  2. 6.25 speed (same as a spy)
  3. Removes negative multipliers vs villagers once you’ve build the White Pagoda
  4. Has 4x multipliers vs all cavalry, 3x vs shock infantry, once they White Pagoda has been build. (similar in role to a Cheyenne Rider, but weaker and more limited in numbers.
  5. Visual change activated once you’ve research the first technology for them in the Monastery (which you’ve already very kindly done).
51

Well, here is the thing wit all your requests. Only change: Visual change with second tech, not first.

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52

change this to heavy cav and hand shock infantry if you want it to be a cheyenne rider, if they do bonus to all cav they also do bonus to goons and ERK

53

What if you could simply train different types of disciples, one with fists. One with spears, one with swords etc with exactly the same stats but different multi.

54

Oh my God SealingEar you actually did it!!! You are absolutely amazing, thank you so much!

I hope other people try out your incredible mod and see by themselves weather or not this in fact needs some tweaks before being officially implemented into the game and being multiplier available.

My intuition is that it is not as game-breaking as a lot of people make it sound but it will be a great alternative to have for early defenses or a White Pagoda rush.

55

Would be so easy to add the animations and naginata from the devs…

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I know right? But honestly now that I’ve been playing the mod with attack-speed changes it is not enough.

Having disciples with decent speed, snare ability and anticav multipliers is a complete game changer and opens so many possibilities for China. I can FINALLY use flamethrowers in a viable way - since they are so weak to cav, have short range (less than a musk) and not great speed to make up for it, these disciples are the perfect unit to go with them, providing them with a good snare and protecting them versus cav reliably. @tilanus

  1. Snare: Disciples slow down enemy units when they hit them (Would keep to buying the first upgrade or White Pagoda for it to activate on multiplier) (disciples and chasquis are the only shock infantry units in the game that do not snare, I consider it a bug even)
  2. 6.25 speed (same as a spy; disciples are the unit with less speed for their type in the game)
  3. Removes negative multipliers vs villagers once you’ve build the White Pagoda
  4. Has 4x multipliers vs all cavalry, 3x vs shock infantry, once they White Pagoda has been build. (similar in role to a Cheyenne Rider, but weaker and more limited in numbers).
  5. Visual change activated once you’ve research the first technology for them in the Monastery (which you’ve already very kindly done).
57

You are out of your mind, china doesn’t need any buffs to disicples, nor any buff in general.

58

I’m all for the visual changes.

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59

Have you lost a lot to a China opponent that goes for the White Pagoda Wonder that you have such a balance concern?

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60

My guy is scared of a thing that is not even used because it sucks so much xD

But besides that, If I may ask from what does your opinion stem that china doesn’t deserve changes?

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61

in your view, how is the unit not being used?

is it not being used because people don’t do the white pagoda rush and making it the backbone of their army?

or are people not training any disciple at all?

if you want the pagoda rush to be a thing, better to give disciple the advanced scout treatment (1 pop & no build limit, white pagoda and monastery can build them) then this - though treaty players might be mad then

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Nobody will ever say in a normal sup game “oh this is a Pagode angle, maybe I shouldn’t age up with sommerpalast/porcelain tower/Confucian academy/temple of heaven.” And guess what that’s because this wonder doesn’t do anything useful, even compared to the wonders of the other 2 Asian civs :joy:

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Yeah this might actually be the worst wonder age up across all Asian civs