DLC Proposal: "Defenders of the Danube" (2 civs + 1 architecture + 3 campaigns)

This is a proposal of a classical type of DLC, meant to fill a hole from that region with:

  • 2 civs: Serbians/Serbs & Romanians/Vlachs
  • 1 architecture set: Byzantine (Byzantines, Bulgarians, Armenians, Georgians, Serbs)
  • 3 campaigns: Matthias Corvinus (Magyars), Mehmed the conqueror (Turks), Stefan Dušan (Serbs)

I am not a good player so a lot of these balances may be off, feel free to let me know what should be changed.

Civs:

1. Serbians - Monk and Siege civ

Philosophy: The Serbian Church was very important in the medieval age as the Serbs were very religious people, during Ottoman times the Church was the closest thing the Serbs had to independence, they were often walled and autonomous. But even before the Ottomans the church played a significant role in Serbian history, much more so than for other Orthodox countries save Russia. The Serbs also had giganic mining towns and were able to form the Serbian Empire by defeating the Byzantine Empire’s fortifications. (see the campaign proposal). As such, I envision them as a straight-forward Monk and Siege civilization. Which would lead to a lot of interesting anti-meta gameplay. As for the unique unit, while the Hajduk became more romanticized in the 17th century, they existed as early as the 14th cenutry and would be in my opinion one of the most iconic units of the Serbs.

Civilization Bonuses

  • Wood and Gold miners work 5% faster.
  • Petards available in Siege Workshop
  • Can research Siege Engineers in Castle Age
  • Monks cost -30 gold
  • Fortified Church replaces Monastery
  • Villagers work 5% faster when near Fortified Church and can garrison in Fortified Church.

Unique Technologies

  • Vojnici → Spearmen line gets +1 attack and +1 armor.
  • Serbian Vineyards → Fortified Churches slowly generate food.

Team Bonus

  • Mangonel-line +2 line of sight

Unique Unit:

  • Hajduk. (Infantry)

Food: 50
Gold: 30
Training time: 16 seconds
Hit points: 50
Melee attack: 11
Attack bonus: +4 vs Spearmen-line
Melee armor: 1
Range-armor: 3
Movement Speed: 1.15
Line of Sight: 8

I do not know if my stats proposal are appropriately balanced. I propose Hajduk has a unit with a speed as high as Eagle Warriors, larger line of sight than an average infantry unit, lower attack than Champions, as much melee Armor as Champions, good versus Archers, beating Spear-man line but losing to hard infantry and cavalry. To deal with Cavarly the Serbs also have the Vojnici unique technology.

Tech Tree:



2. Romanians - Cavalry and Trash civ

Philosophy: The Romanians being at the borderline between east and west had units from both cultures. They were not developed economically when compared to their neighbours but invested a lot in their army, with peasants having mandatory training in using weapons and professional soldiers getting the best gear that they could afford. The large host being the trained peasants and the small host being the professional army. Which I would translate as having above-average units but weak economy. They were mostly shepherds and farmer and during the Ottoman times they were never integrated in the Ottoman empire because they were very hard to invade. As for the unique unit, I propose something that emphasizes the west-east combination, Calarasi.

Civilization Bonuses

  • Start with +2 sheeps
  • Units do not take elevantion bonus damage
  • Spearmen-line and Skirmisher-line gets +1 attack
  • Receive back 20% of the resources of buildings destroyed by an enemy.

Unique Technologies

  • Mărgineni → +2 food and wood carry capacity for villagers.
  • Venetian Weapons → Knight-line gets +1 attack and +1 armor.

Team Bonus

  • Cavalry gets +2 damage to buildings.

Unique Unit:

  • Calarasi. (Cavalry Archer)

Wood: 50
Gold: 70
Training time: 23 seconds
Hit points: 65
Pierce attack: 7
Attack bonus: +4 vs Cavalry
Reload time: 2
Accuracy: 50%
Melee armor: 0
Range-armor: 0
Movement Speed: 1.25
Line of Sight: 5

I propose Calarasi to be a Horse Archer specialized against Cavalry, slightly more tanky than a regular Cavalry Archer and with +1 damage but with lower speed, slower than a Paladin even. This will make them either stronger than a regular Cavalry Archer or weaker depending on the situation. It’s a bit of tankiness from the west combined with the hit and run style from the east, while being master of none.

Tech Tree:



Byzantine Architecture Set

This new architecture can be used by the: Byzantines, Bulgarians, Armenians, Georgians and Serbs.






Example from a mod:

Campaigns:

1. Matthias Corvinus (Magyars)


Matthias Corvinus (1443–1490), born Mátyás Hunyadi, was the second son of the renowned Hungarian military leader John Hunyadi. His early life was shaped by the political turbulence of 15th-century Hungary. After his father’s death in 1456 and the execution of his older brother Ladislaus in 1457, Matthias found himself at the center of Hungary’s complex power struggles. He was elected King of Hungary in 1458 at the age of 14, becoming the first ruler of non-noble birth to ascend the Hungarian throne—a testament to his family’s immense influence.

As king, Matthias worked tirelessly to strengthen royal authority and centralize power. He was a reformer, an astute diplomat, and a military genius. Known as the “Raven King” (Corvinus derives from “corvus,” Latin for raven), he adopted the raven as his emblem, a symbol of wisdom and vigilance.

Possible Missions:

  1. Moldavian Campaign: The Defeat at Baia (1467)
    Matthias launched a campaign against Stephen the Great of Moldavia in 1467, aiming to assert Hungary’s dominance over the region. However, the campaign ended disastrously for Matthias at the Battle of Baia. The Moldavian forces ambushed and inflicted heavy casualties on the Hungarian army, forcing Matthias to retreat wounded. Despite this setback, Matthias leveraged his propaganda machine to portray the campaign as a victory, emphasizing his survival and framing the retreat as a strategic withdrawal. This episode illustrates his ability to manage public perception and maintain his political authority even after defeat.

  2. Campaign Against the Ottomans: The Siege of Szabács (1476)
    Matthias Corvinus continued his father’s mission to defend Hungary from Ottoman expansion. One of his notable victories came in 1476 with the Siege of Szabács, a key fortress on the southern border. Matthias launched a well-coordinated attack, combining naval forces and infantry to capture the stronghold. This victory bolstered Hungary’s defensive line and demonstrated his tactical brilliance. However, it was not a definitive blow to the Ottomans, as their power in the Balkans remained unchallenged overall.

  3. The Bohemian War: Claiming the Bohemian Crown (1468–1479)
    Matthias engaged in a protracted conflict with George of Poděbrady, the Hussite King of Bohemia, as part of his ambition to expand Hungary’s influence. In 1468, Matthias launched a military campaign under the pretext of defending Catholicism against Poděbrady’s Hussite beliefs. By 1469, he was crowned King of Bohemia, though his control extended only over Moravia, Silesia, and Lusatia. The conflict dragged on until the Treaty of Olomouc (1479), which divided Bohemian lands between Matthias and Vladislaus II of Poland, the new Bohemian king. While not a complete victory, Matthias secured significant territories and prestige.

  4. The Venetian Campaign: Dalmatian Successes (1479)
    Matthias also directed his attention toward the Adriatic coast, where Hungary competed with Venice for control of Dalmatian cities. In 1479, Hungarian forces achieved a significant victory at the Battle of Breadfield, where they crushed a Turkish raiding force allied with Venice. This campaign solidified Hungary’s influence in Dalmatia and underscored Matthias’s ability to manage multiple fronts simultaneously. The victory was celebrated as a triumph of Hungarian strength against both Ottoman and Venetian ambitions.

  5. Campaign Against Emperor Frederick III: Conquest of Vienna (1485)
    Matthias’s rivalry with Emperor Frederick III of the Holy Roman Empire culminated in his audacious conquest of Vienna in 1485. This campaign began as part of Matthias’s efforts to assert dominance over Austria, a region historically contested between the Habsburgs and Hungary. After a prolonged siege, Matthias’s forces captured Vienna, which became his residence and a cultural hub of his court. This marked the high point of Matthias’s territorial expansion, though it strained Hungary’s resources. His rule in Vienna solidified his reputation as a powerful Central European monarch.

2. Mehmed the conqueror (Turks)


Sultan Mehmed II (1432–1481), known as “Mehmed the Conqueror,” was one of the most influential rulers of the Ottoman Empire. Ascending the throne at the age of 12 and later reclaiming it in 1451, Mehmed pursued an ambitious vision of expanding the empire. His most celebrated achievement came in 1453 with the conquest of Constantinople, earning him the title “Conqueror” and marking the end of the Byzantine Empire. This monumental victory transformed the Ottomans into a global power and established Istanbul as the empire’s new capital.

A brilliant strategist and administrator, Mehmed centralized Ottoman governance, overhauled its military, and patronized science and the arts, solidifying the empire’s foundations. His campaigns stretched across the Balkans, Anatolia, and even Italy, demonstrating his relentless ambition to dominate both Europe and Asia. Mehmed’s reign was characterized by his exceptional ability to balance diplomacy, warfare, and statecraft, cementing his legacy as one of history’s great rulers.

  1. The Conquest of Constantinople (1453)
    The conquest of Constantinople was Mehmed’s defining achievement. After a meticulous preparation involving the construction of the Rumeli Fortress and assembling a massive army of over 80,000 troops, Mehmed laid siege to the city. Employing innovative tactics, including the use of giant cannons to breach the city’s formidable Theodosian Walls, Mehmed achieved victory on May 29, 1453. This campaign not only ended the Byzantine Empire but also established Istanbul as the Ottoman capital, transforming it into a cultural and economic hub of the empire.

  2. The Campaign Against Vlad the Impaler (1462)
    In 1462, Mehmed launched a campaign against Vlad the Impaler, the voivode of Wallachia, who had rebelled against Ottoman suzerainty. Vlad’s guerrilla tactics, including his infamous “Night Attack” on Mehmed’s camp, inflicted heavy casualties. However, Mehmed’s overwhelming forces eventually forced Vlad to retreat. The Ottomans captured Târgoviște, where they discovered Vlad’s infamous “forest of the impaled,” showcasing his cruelty. Though Vlad escaped, this campaign reinforced Ottoman control over Wallachia and demonstrated Mehmed’s determination to crush dissent.

  3. The Albanian Wars Against Skanderbeg (1443–1468)
    Mehmed faced fierce resistance from Gjergj Kastrioti Skanderbeg, the Albanian leader who defied Ottoman rule. Skanderbeg used the mountainous terrain of Albania to conduct effective guerrilla warfare, winning key victories at Krujë. Despite Mehmed’s superior numbers and repeated sieges of Krujë (notably in 1466–1467), Skanderbeg’s forces successfully defended their stronghold. Mehmed’s failure to subdue Albania delayed the Ottoman expansion into the Adriatic region, and Skanderbeg became a symbol of resistance against Ottoman domination.

  4. Campaign Against Stephen the Great of Moldavia (1476)
    Mehmed’s 1476 campaign against Stephen the Great of Moldavia followed the Moldavian voivode’s refusal to submit to Ottoman suzerainty. After Stephen defeated an earlier Ottoman force at the Battle of Vaslui (1475), Mehmed personally led a massive army to retaliate. At the Battle of Valea Albă (Războieni), the Ottomans achieved a decisive victory, forcing Stephen to retreat into the mountains. However, logistical challenges and Moldavian guerrilla resistance prevented Mehmed from fully subjugating Moldavia, making it a costly campaign for the Ottomans.

  5. The Otranto Campaign (1480)
    Late in his reign, Mehmed turned his attention to Italy, aiming to expand Ottoman influence in Europe. In 1480, his forces captured the city of Otranto, establishing a foothold in southern Italy. While the campaign alarmed European powers, Mehmed’s sudden death in 1481 curtailed Ottoman ambitions in Italy. Although short-lived, this campaign demonstrated Mehmed’s vision of extending Ottoman reach into the heart of Christendom.

Stefan Dušan (Serbs)


Stefan Dušan (1308–1355), known as Dušan the Mighty, was the greatest ruler of medieval Serbia, reigning as king from 1331 and later as Emperor of the Serbs and Greeks from 1346 until his death. His reign marked the height of the Serbian Empire, during which Serbia became the most powerful state in the Balkans. Known for his military prowess, legal reforms, and ambition to unite the Orthodox Christian world, Dušan sought to expand Serbian dominance into the territories of the declining Byzantine Empire.

In addition to his conquests, Dušan introduced the Dušan’s Code in 1349, one of the most comprehensive legal frameworks of its time. This code aimed to unify his diverse empire under a single set of laws, blending Byzantine legal traditions with Serbian practices. Dušan’s reign left a profound legacy, not only in expanding Serbian territory but also in fostering a cultural and legal foundation that influenced the region long after his death.

  1. The Overthrow of His Father (1331)
    Stefan Dušan’s rise to power began with a decisive campaign against his father, Stefan Dečanski, who had alienated much of the Serbian nobility. Dušan led a military revolt, defeated his father’s forces, and claimed the throne. This internal conflict set the stage for Dušan’s later expansionist campaigns, as he consolidated power and secured the loyalty of Serbia’s nobles and army.

  2. Conquests in Macedonia (1334)
    One of Dušan’s earliest campaigns was against the Byzantine Empire, capitalizing on its internal instability. In 1334, Dušan invaded Macedonia and captured several key cities, including Ohrid and Prilep. These victories established Serbia as a major power in the Balkans and marked the beginning of Dušan’s systematic encroachment on Byzantine territories. The campaign demonstrated his ability to exploit Byzantine weakness and expand Serbian influence in the region.

  3. Campaign Against the Byzantines: Capture of Serres (1345)
    In his push toward Constantinople, Dušan focused on consolidating his hold over the Byzantine territories of Macedonia and Thrace. In 1345, his forces captured the city of Serres, a major fortress and strategic location. This victory further weakened Byzantine authority in the region and bolstered Dušan’s claim to imperial legitimacy. Following this success, he proclaimed himself Emperor of the Serbs and Greeks, formalizing his ambition to replace the Byzantines as the preeminent Orthodox Christian power.

  4. The Conquest of Epirus and Thessaly (1348)
    Dušan’s most significant territorial gains came during his 1348 campaign in Epirus and Thessaly, where he expanded Serbian control deep into Byzantine Greece. This campaign brought key cities like Ioannina and Larissa under Serbian rule. By this time, Dušan’s empire stretched from the Danube to the Aegean, making Serbia the dominant Balkan power. These conquests were critical to Dušan’s vision of creating a Serbian-led Byzantine Empire.

  5. Alliance with Venice and Campaign Against the Ottomans (1354)
    Toward the end of his reign, Dušan sought to forge alliances against the rising Ottoman threat. In 1354, he negotiated with Venice to create a coalition to halt Ottoman expansion into Europe. Although he prepared for a campaign against the Ottomans, his untimely death in 1355 prevented its execution. This unrealized campaign could have significantly altered the course of Balkan history, as Dušan’s leadership was seen as a crucial counterbalance to Ottoman ambitions.

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I think that Mehmet’s campaign should start with the Varna Crusade in 1444, since we already have the conquest of Constantinople twice in Constantine XI and Fetih…

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I miss here Croatians civ.

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@MatM1996 Good point, the first mission should be the Varna Crusade in 1444 instead.

@MUTYLATOR5553 I tried to make the DLC in the classical style of Lords of the West and Dawn of the Dukes, as this is the most reasonable expectation.

From what I can see on the forums, everyone agrees that in the Balkans the first 2 civs should be Romanians and Serbs, while for the 3rd either Croatian or Albanian.

Serbs and Croats don’t like to be put together while Wallachians and Moldavians like to be put together. So having only 1 civ for Wallachian & Moldavian aka Romanian is perfect.

But in the case of Serbs and Croats I don’t think many would like merging their civ into something like “South Slavs”. So I think a 3 civs DLC like in the case of Dynasties of India with: Romanians, South Slavs, Albanians not be okay.

And I think 4 civs per DLC is too unrealistic. 2 is realistic, 3 is a great surprise.

Green → In game.
Yellow → Proposed in this DLC.
Red → Not proposed.

Looking at the map, I think only Croatia, Bosnia and Albania are left.

So a DLC with 3 civs like Romanians, South Slavs, Albanians would virtually cover all of the Balkans.

The issue would be that Croats, Bosniks and Serbs would be an umbrella civ.

There are a few terms that can be used for such an umbrella:

  • South Slavs (Yugoslavs is too 20th century)
  • Illyrians
  • Slavonians (this is perfect in my opinion, not to be confused with Slaveni/Sloveni meaning all slavs)
  • Sclavini/Sklavini (this is how the Byzantines called them)
  • Rascians (used by the western european sources to refer South Slavs generally, based on the medieval Serbian state of Raška)

I think Slavonians would be the best word if a Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia umbrella is made.

As with: Romanians, Slavonians, Albanians you can cover all the balkans with 1 DLC.

If not, Then you can either:

  • Romanians, Serbs, Croatians (with Bosnia and Albania later)
  • Romanians, Serbs, Albanians (with Croatia and Bosnia later)

I think the 2nd option would be more favorable as Croatia and Bosnia are more related to each other.

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You shouldn’t combine Croatians and Serbs into one civ because they are two completely different worlds despite being neighbors. It is worth noting that the Croatians civ could represent the Slovenes and even the medieval Bosnians. These nations are definitely closer to Western Europe than to the Byzantine East.

A Balkan DLC with three civs would be totally fine. If you want to add Albanians civ then remember that Croatians civ deserves to be included even more - but in such a situation in another DLC e.g. together with Aragonese and Venetians civs (with the division of the Mediterranean Architecture Set into: Iberian and Italian).

Yes, a Balkan DLC like the first three DE DLCs would be great… it would be a DLC with LotW mechanics, regional like DotD and with 3 civs like DoI (here Dracula would take Prithviraj’s place receiving the Vlach civ, which players could use without buying the DLC)… you would have 3 new campaigns: Stefan Dusan (Serbs), Matthias Corvinus (Magyars) and Ivan III (Slavs)… Stefan IV Dusan’s campaign would be narrated by his son Stefan V Dusan, Corvinus’ by Frederick III of the HRE and Ivan III’s by his grandson Ivan the Terrible with the same voice he has in AoE 3…

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Love it! I would say include modifying the Vlad Dracula campaign to be the Vlachs/Romanians campaign but seems solid!

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I think that it would be pretty desireable to have civs that represent everyone. As everyone comes with their own desires.

In this sense, I think the safest bet would be Romanians + Serbs, and for the 3rd, if a 3rd civ is going to be added alongside this, the Croatians would be a good addition. It will also mix things up a little bit as Serbs and Romanians were terribly on water.

I desire to be included as many civs as possible in AoE2, but I know that’s not realistic, so I’m only suggesting a few. I know that a lot of people want balance and competitiveness, but I don’t play for that, I wouldn’t mind if 5 new civs are added and they are underpowered, for me it’s more about the immersion, a lot like the 2000s experience when you didn’t care about the balance, but it’s each to their own set of desires.

These are the only civs I would like to see from Europe, maaaybe Venetians too (I know, I know, too similar to Italians, but I think they were distinct and important enough to warrant their own civ)

Still, I would prefer some non-European DLCs first

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They could have Stradiot as their UU and thus represent Albania at the same time. The Republic of Venice possessed much Albanian land from which came the Stradiots, who were the most famous unit of the Venetian cavalry.

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Venice and Albania are 2 different thing if its ok to have one civilization to represent both, teutons are more than enough to represent german parts of HRE saxons bavarians etc.

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Heck no! The Venetians and Albanians must be separate.

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Yeah, the Italians are the Venetians (they have a good navy and economy and the same happens in AoE 3 with Venice being the Italian Homecity)…Albanians is a good choice too if the dlc are like classic ones from 2 HD with 4 civs (Serbs, Croats, Vlacs and Albanians)…Skanderbeg is the logical option for an Albanian campaign…we can have one or two Balkan dlcs with this…

I know it could be a weird name, but “western slavs” could unite Serbs and Croats under one civ…

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Nothing about the current italians are venice other than the leader names.navel bonus uu wonder ui civi shield all are genoa.

Campaign is based off milan which could be considered as italians covering all city states.

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Eh, their unique unit is Genoan, and I think their wonder is too. If anything i’d say their tie-in is more Genoa than Venice.

I don’t really want to see any other Italian Peninsula civs, but I think Venice is the one I could see being separated into their own civ as they were more involved in affairs outside the Italian Peninsula than any other of the Italian city states, with Genoa (already repped by Italians) being the other that mainly did stuff outside of Italy.

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Yeah, you two are right…i saw again in the wikia and the Italians in AoE 2 are mostly Genoa and in AoE 3 mostly Venice…

Western? xDDD

But for a long time they lived and developed independently. The Republic of Venice is completely different from the rest of Italy… Sicily also.

There is eastern Balkans Slavs (Bulgarians) and western Balkans Slavs (Serbs, Croats, Slovenians)…
Edit: the historical border between the two is the Morava river (the one in current Serbia, not the one in current Czech republic)

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Well, it that case, could works, but we need rename the Italians to Genoans or put more Venetian things to the Italian civ…