I just don’t see how the variant civs are meaningfully less historical or immersive than the current civs in the game. The most contentious one I could see an argument for are the Shaolin monks, but even then, it’s about as on-par as other stuff in the game like the mobile anti-siege springalds.
It’s not just that “it’s ok because other stuff is ahistorical”
It’s more of a this is about as ahistorical as everything else in the PvP game, so I don’t get the complaint.
Sorry to say, but I would recommend you pick up a book and go learn some history then. That is not something I can teach you over a forum.
I’m just not sure how much less historical/immersive that Jean with a gun is than using an anti-infantry/fortification weapon (the springald) as a fast-moving anti-siege gun.
Or how the title of a group of people is less immersive than magical army improvements via techs or the spawning of units.
Counter system is a gameplay design.
The whole production mechanics in the game is a gameplay design.
Literally nobody complains about them.
AOE is built upon these basic concepts with a skin of history. And the historical references of this skin is its immersion.
By your logic there is no immersion in any game at all.
Paradox games do not have immersion because of cause a leader cannot manually control everything and immediately get first hand information.
FPS games are even less immersive because your character does not need to pee.
RPG games are not immersive at all because there is no such a thing as leveling up or numerical stats.
Conclusion: immersion is out of the table for all game designs.
I’m now wondering who really likes mentioning the word “history” time after time in the promotions and advertisements.
yup also that mean is promoting lazy content for historical accuracy with the variant civs that breaks the immersion
Not really, I’m just saying that I don’t understand how the variant civs are meaningfully less immersive than what we already had. The title of the faction/civilization/whatever you want to call it is pretty whatever in the grand scheme of things.
Again. You think people who play AoE has not already conceded to how arcadey it is?
Do you understand this means it still has a framework? The game isn’t just random shit happening every 2 seconds. It has a form, a structure. It isn’t an FPS, MMO, RTS and tabletop game at the same time. And likewise, its portrayal of history is also structured. Maybe you don’t think the differences matter, but if you don’t; why bother me, others and everyone who do care? Maybe you should literally stay in your lane.
If your nose is too stuffy to smell a bad fart, doesn’t mean that no one else will notice. Just because it won’t bother you, doesn’t mean it won’t bother others.
Chinese, HRE, etc. were real nations or peoples.
Ayyubids was a real nation.
Order of the Dragon was a real organization.
Zhu Xi’s Legacy is not a nation, not a people, not an organization, not a politcial party, not even a rhetorical term, not ANYTHING.
Literally not a single entity on this planet ever calls itself by this name.
It’s more people are complaining about an invisible line where X is too ahistorical but Y (which is also ahistorical) is perfectly fine with no explanation. If variant civs are bad because they are ahistorical and no other reason, then without further argument, pretty much every facet of the game is bad because ahistorical.
ok fine but the reason are still here which is basically the historical backup and rerason why those exist and the units that are more copy paste from its og variants or just pure powercreep
You call it invisible because you don’t get it.
How arrogant do you have to be to not simply concede that you don’t understand? Not understanding does not mean it isn’t real. I can see planes flying, and I know there is science behind it. I don’t pretend it doesn’t fly just because I don’t understand the science.
Seriously. If you don’t care about this, stop pretending to have a stake in it.
Ok, and Springalds weren’t used to kill bombards. Why is that ok, but a name such a big deal?
Because they (some of them) are not real factions at all.
Don’t create a strawman for yourself. Nobody ever says immersion = 100% realistic and historical.
You can compare this to a controllable unit in the game called “Parthian tactics”.
Due to the title of the topic, and the way in which certain users are continuing its existence (with those users looking for more ideas to speak badly about the game, all its features and even others users) this is not criticism, but pure Boycott.
I refuse to take part in this type of trick that harms the franchise, especially in the official forum of the game, which depends precisely on income to grow and stay in operation.
I would ask for this topic to be closed because it practically falls to the level of negative propaganda, and doesn’t really contribute anything to the forum at all.
So he doesn’t understand for having a different opinion than you? I see you use this tactic on everyone that doesn’t view the same opinions as you. And you accused me of “shutting people up” lol the irony here.
Because nobody says immersion = 100% realistic and historical.
Springald is a real thing that existed in history. Period.
You are free to change springald to “super duper siege counter” and see if the immersion problem now emerges.
He clearly doesn’t care for the topic. Neither do you, mind you. Yet both of you contribute, simply because it irks you that people care. You won’t admit this, but it is obvious from how you approach these discussions, with nothing to add but "history doesn’t matter lol 
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My stance has always been to be additive in your approach to discussion. This is clearly not that.
It’s more that the extremely small amount of people that care enough to comment on it basically are ragging on the game with nothing more than just an opinion about something with no meaningful explanation or solution to the issue.
That and they just shut down any discourse.
spring is supposed to be used as ballista/scorpios/organ gun
the historical quota is more likely to be +70%
