Who has counters to mangudais? 
Berbers, Lithuanians, Indians and Vietnamese all have an easy time at countering Cav Archer based strategies and UUs.
They had to use the patch from 2 months ago since previous one was bad and current one wasn’t fully tested yet, so they didn’t have the buffed EA.
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This thread had potential to be actually interesting, discussing army compositions etc. It started out fine.
Sadly it turned into people throwing random accusations at each other, instead of making complete arguments.
yeah because it was ran on an older patch before Elephant Archers got buffed. Even Viper said that new Elephant archers are pretty solid and would be great in team games.
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yeah i think you might be right… HC really are super fragile, and im still not convinced they’re cost effective vs huskarls…
if the opponent is mixing pikes with the karls, the HCs wont be able to kill all the pikes while they decimate the tatar melee cav, and the karls kill the HCs in 2 hits each, for half the price and can easily catch the slow frame + slow speed HC
as we mentioned before its not auto lose, and winning is possible but much harder than if they faced a different faction…
could mali possibly fit into that same classification as inca and goths vs tatars?
No, my guess is that he ran out of Gold, which is a huge problem for Goths. You cannot Flood without Gold, and Goths are like Zerg, they are supposed to be resource-inefficient due to being able to overwhelm the enemy.
Just play the Alaric Campaign and see how much Gold is on those maps. It is a lot, because Goths need a lot of it.