Entire Race Counters or Bad match ups (Post Imperial)

I tested like that because Italians in Imperial Age can easily switch to mass condos if turk player choose your kind of combination. It wouldn’t be Italians first choice obviously.

If they can afford to crank out 60 condottiero in a timely fashion those condos are going to geg wrecked on the follow up

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Interestingly pro players can’t say hi with Indian champs and skirms vs meso.

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Italians can train 60 condos easily? are they free?

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3000 Food and 2100 Gold.

That is quite the investment!

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I have to agree with you. The Mayan player should ignore EAs and go raid.

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Man oh man, if only people walled their bases. Hard to raid that

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ofc perfectly real scenario against 20 hussars and 20 jannisaries, equal resources ftw

well ignore trebs and EAs in your base then

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EAs have a damage bonus against buildings. Ignore them, and you will not have a Town to go back to.

Since latest patches, most of the civs with bad range units have a lot trouble vs Teutons

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I would prefer EA in my eco over everything. They are just harmless.

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Masonry + Architecture

They arent concerned Bout your eco. They are destroying your entire base

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Does nothing against bonus damage

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I remember a Tatars vs Goths game of me at Acropolis. I still dont know why i won that game 11 Goth player kinda destroyed me. Normally i would GG"d. My base was completely destroyed. I was around 50 pop at 40 minutes into the game. But for some reason i was able to rise from the dead and win.

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I guess you do not mind losing thousands of Wood to lost Military Buldings, Farms and Houses…

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Sometimes all it takes is preserverance. Depending on how much of a fight you put, the Goths player’s Eco may have also run out of steam.

They don’t destroy my base. You will never mass 50 Elephants Archers in RM 1v1. If they were good vs archer why did pro players not use them in BoA against Britons, Mayans, etc. In BoA we saw everything even Karambits, Condoteirri expect Elephants Archers and Steppe Lancers. It shows how bad they are.

That wasn’t my point but you’re right about massing them isn’t that easy. My point was Italians have an option like condos can easily counter gunpowder and cover Genxbows back. And Genxbows counter Turk Hussar/Camels/HCA well enough.They also beat Janissaries in equal resources.

I’m not a huge fan of siege rams counter-archer usage since player can easily micro and snipe units behind them.

I did a different test(without micro):
20Hussar+20E Jans+5S.Ram(5075 res)
Vs
25Condos+25Genxbows(4375 res)

Italians won again with 17/35 Genxbows left

Biggest mistake of the Goth player was no Huskarls, but Champ-line + halbs.
And he took to much time finding my new base every time. In the end i could finally breath and wasnt pushing, but the Goth player GG’d. I think it was a game over a hour and i was dead from 30 minutes into the game to almost the end. Great game to remember :slight_smile:

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