Honestly it seems to me like TheViper stopped taking aoe2 seriously a year or two ago. All his games recently seem to be him just messing around. He does react well to situations but it just feels like he would rather win on his intuition bringing a troll build to life than a calculated meta + numbers advantage. It feels funny saying this knowing he’s already won a major tournament this year, but I hope he gets his act together.
Viper announced live on his stream live that he will stop playing aoe4 due to the state that its in and GL withdrew from upcoming competitions. Hera? Honestly glad to see him leave the aoe2 scene.
Why are you glad ? Seems a strange thing to write 
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If you think Viper has been performing worse than Vortix and Lucifron, then I don’t know what to tell you. Get a new pair of glasses maybe.
Also do you really believe he stopped AoE4 because he’s salty about losing one set to an underdog in a lower tier tournament? Really?
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GL is a team, and they can make decision as a team
TheViper is very King of aoe2 to be shaken with any words…it could work on anyone but him.
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Have you ever thought that maybe they’re just not having fun atm? It’s understandable seeing as at their level you have to always pick mongols if you wanna be competitive with their ridiculous 64% win rate and then pick rus if mongols gets banned in the tourney. Siege are motorized tanks and late game composition is just a ■■■■ ton of siege with meat shield in front. Maybe they don’t want to be forced to play the same busted civs and spam siege in late game as it’s boring af.
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It’s so cringe people saying sc2 players are better than aoe2 players that’s why they are quitting while that’s not even the point.
Who wants to invest in a game where , at the top level, have to use exploits and play Mongols to win?
How can streamers make a living out of this clown fiesta of a game in this state?
Sc2 players can’t go back to that game anymore since it’s dead so they kinda have no choice.
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There are a lot of people out there who, although can perform normal everyday tasks and jobs, do not have the capacity to think any further than that. Lower your expectations of other people’s mental abilities. The same people defending the idea of a holiday will during holiday: order a taxi or use public transport to go pick up a late present for their family, while also grabbing something to eat at a restaurant while typing online how people need to have holidays, etc. The world is full of simpletons. You have to stay strong and move forward. Relic made an amazing game. Their communication could be better, imo more open and honest.
Exactly , we have to say that age of empires is a franchise that was prety much dead since 15 years if we dont count aoeo ofc. I think 300k sales would be nuts for this types of games , and we also need to say that aoe4 was the best seller of its month and i already stated this in some of my responses to the other guy .
As you can see Aoe4 takes three places on the list and if this is not enough proof for you my guy @shadowneal128
Here you can see this other source i have found based on analytics of the best seller of the 3 following weeks of october .
Source : Steam: These were the bestsellers in October 2021 - Aroged
Bruh what is this , SC2 was the king of RTS because it was the best game to become an e-sport of all the other RTS and because it recieved updates , not like other games on the dead genre. Another thing , you have to be joking . DOTA AND LEAGUE OF LEGENDS are not even close to be an RTS my dude , these types of games are called MOBAS and are the succesors to RTS , and this games are indeed adictive and a good way to make money of e-sports . This proves that you dont have any idea on what are you writing tbh
Forza5 was definitly the most anticipated game of the E3 of MS 2021 , and it was obvious that it was going to be the best game of year , not to mention that with those graphics it obviously atracted people that didnt like racing. As i said RTS dont atract many people these days because its not popular anymore. But even with those problems , The first week of aoe4 remained the top 5 game with most active users at the same time.
ofc its a good number and they know it , knowing that microsoft wouldnt bet more money if the game didnt sold well tbh , they played it safe going for the same route as aoe2 to revive the franchise and atract the old player base , it is obvious that they didnt think they could sell this much and let me remind you something, if it didint sell well like you say so , why there are like 20 web pages saying that aoe4 and forza5 sold like popcorn in a movie theater? i think i have already shared with you many sources bro , but you just keep coming here and say : Then why the numbers are not flying? THEN why the numbers of gamepass become public three years later the launch? if it were a SUCCESS , words by you :
if gamepass is this sucessfull then we should have access to these numbers always , like steam does , WELL NO! , because the last time MS published the numbers WERE IN 2020 , counting more than 10 million users subscribed , but it haves to be succesfull if everyone you know plays aoe4 on that site .
Then where are the 2022 numbers?
They could bennefit as well saying the number imo. but they dont.
They adchieved this money in 25 years , and this is fake because every game needs adverstisment , Betheshda have around 600 million euros but their games need advertisments! Tf are you saying kid , inventing more stuff and wrong statements as always? And the expectation above 300k the first month is also wrong because no matter how much money they should have a logistic department , And its obvious that if those guys thinked the would probably know that after being dead for 15 years they should play it safe and gain more that they invested , that is what it should be called a win .
Another thing , You did start with calling me stupid , indirectly ofc , but you did , so dont complain about it.
I know about that my statement about bf2042 was wrong and I recognize it , but i had another point and i decided to go directly to the steam analytics and find another sources on the internet , but at least i changed my mind to agree on move on to some other point , not like you that you keep coming to me with the public numbers of aoe4 and that trash.
And Lets do maths again buddy
So lets do a quick search on google to know what it should cost to make an AAA . About 30 - 50 million of euros / dollars
But OH! 300k copies sold of aoe4?! 18.000.000 euros! in just one month!
I suspect that the price of aoe4 is around 30.000.000 or lower
But hey we are going to do more math to determinate if 18.000.000 is close or not so close to 30.000.000!
doing this we can determine if it exceeds half or not, if it gives a higher result then it exceeds half of the money put on development , if it does not do it then no
ofc this is in raw money and steam takes 30% but we cant forget about MS store sales as well , that i suggest that probably are less than 30k , but they take all of the money so it doesnt matter tbh
final response .
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In tournaments you can ban mongols.
Also how come it’s just the GL boys and not pros from across the spectrum? Every single pro and non pro from across the spectrum is competing in the pro league except GL.
Definitely the GL players throwing their toys out the cot after getting spanked. It’s way too early in the games lifecycle to be giving ultimatums to Relic.
also this is true btw
all pros players said the same things about the game. Most pro retweeted Viper when he proposed a lot of balance changes. You are talking about something that you know nothing.
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Yeah like I said, that is not how it works, you dont “make 60 euros for each game you sold”. I am not gonna argue with you again.
firstly, Steam doesn’t sell them 60 Euro in every county, for example in China(their biggest user group with 30mllion + accounts) aoe4 sold for about 250yuan at launch date=35 Euro)
then Steam takes their 30% cut, let’s be very generous to say they make 35 dollars/Euro for every full-price copy sold. that is 35 x 3000000 = 10,500,000.
and the Xbox subscription just had 1 dollar for 3 months promo right on the AOE4 launch, I am using it right now as most of my friends do, and none of us will keep the subscription for just AOE4. so I don’t know how much money you can count in here but surely its not gonna be 10,500,000.
yeah they lost money on this for sure, this is the last time I am gonna repeat myself to you.
And like i also said , steam takes the 30% of the money , they obviously lost money because in one month they wont just recover all the money they wasted , and im aware of the regional pricing issues . But in most developed countries the price remains most of it the same , for example in spain is 60 euros , in US 60 dollars , in uk i think is 50? dk
Like we said previously we are not going to argue anymore.
Everyone - myself included - wants balance changes.
But only the GL players are quitting over it. After poor performances.
You can try and spin it however you want, but it just looks bad on their part.
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like the other guy said, it takes a few years for any Relic game to reach a balanced state. I think we just forgot about it because the AOE brand and the involvement of Microsoft.
so let’s wait a few years, time to go back to aoe2 or sc2.
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Viper enjoys AoE4 for what it is: “omg I love Viper 
AoE2 legend, best RTS player ever”
Viper’s had enough of Relic shenanigans and leaves the game: “omg who cares about viper and other pro cancer. He sucks and is bad at the game anyway. Let him play his boomer game”
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jesus, you talk too much
I saw a video from Ornlu the wolf covering the game campaigns and why he not enjoyed it
its hard to imagine something that i’ll remember of this game, even my casual friends don’t speak a word from it
I think sales, especially initial sales, aren’t really telling for AoE4 itself. When was the last big entry for a real RTS like AoE4? It’s the same if Blizzard would release WC4 or SC3. The sales wouldn’t be indicative of the state or the quality of the game due to the name and the history. Also, the scene seems so longing for basically anything new, that it’s very forgiving. You really have to pull a DoW3 or WC3R to ■■■■ up.
And as long we don’t know how the sales are interpreted by the guys responsible for the investment, we just have to wait for at least half a year and check the player retention.
We don’t get a scenario, where we could see the outcome if they had done differently but by now, I’m convinced that it was the right decision to release early. There are even people saying the game looks fantastic, so why would you further lose money on it, when so many people not only accept the state it is in but also praise it.
The good thing about it is that the sales for sure aren’t terrible and this not rendering AoE4 doa. I just hope they know that this initial “success” is mainly due to the context rather than the game itself. Getting this to a GaaS is another challenge, as you need a stable base of core gamers to get a stable fluctuation of casual gamers. This makes the “vocal minority” more important and the tonus there is quite clear.