Eliteriflemann needs a reward for being the most big brained aoe forum contributor 
Stay jacked! 
couldnât agree more!
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No offense but your a fairly high level player. You do tend to want to nerf whatever gives your spanish civ main any strong pushback. I donât have any love for the gatlings either but like all the other civs the US has other weaknesses to exploit.
On the bright side I played three games today and none were mexico.
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Youâre right that I do take to complaining too soon instead of working on my own shortcomings (which are many).
I take back my complaining about China(even though meteor hammers are annoying AF).
But overall there are lots of people who feel that Brits over perform and that gatlings shouldnât come in 3.
But yes, Iâll concede all my other ramblings beside those two.^
⊠Aztec might seriously be sleeper OP now though after watching this video:
Seems like people havenât been abusing them since their rework:
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I will say rifle riders hard counter both of those units. Haud has a worse time, as always. Musket riders and kanya are better vs artillery than hussars or goons, but its not great. Azzy has always been bad vs musket-arty unless you somehow get your ranged card and combat on a big erk mass and lame the warchief to the max. Inca is flawed currently in its lack of shock infantry besides chimu, idk how they deal with this
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Inca does pretty well as many have said the point of the game isnât for civs to not have any areas of vulnerability. I wonât shed a tear for an inca lack of any particular unit. What they do have seems to work more than adequately. Backed with their eco they are op. Not playing mexico today I donât have any feel for the effects of the patch.
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hablando de eso, ÂżDeberĂan darles cañones capturados a las civilizaciones indĂgenas?
Les Lakota et les Iroquois sâen sortent, les Lakota nâen ont pas besoin et les iroquois ont leur propres unitĂ©s de siĂšges, par contre les AztĂšques je vois mal comment leur donneur de lâartillerie (leur chevaliers aigles remplissant un peu ce rĂŽle de distances longue portĂ©e contre les bĂątiments, mais je connais mal cette unitĂ©).
Inca has long range anti artillery from their castle/fortress/whatever the name is.
Aztec EKR should deal with musket+artillery combo without issues, yes it does take a bit of micro but it is not impossible.
Hauds do have a weakness until they reach age4, light cannons destroy everything. They are the only civ thay csnnot reliability snipe artillery balls in age3, but it is not impossible to deal with it.
Lakota RR just A move that combo, as you said.
We shouldnât jump to nerfing things just cause not every civ has an easy answer to everything.
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Nha, deberĂan arreglan la anti artileria ya disponible, porque el problema la mayorĂa de las veces en partidas de supremacĂa, es que alguien sube rĂĄpido de edad y obtiene cañones en early. Los nativos con su anti artillerĂa deben arreglĂĄrsela para destruirla, lo cual en la mayorĂa de los casos termina en intercambios muy desfavorables.
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if you think huaraca do well vs gatling guns you probably havent been on the inca side of that matchup. Regardless, i donât think gatlings necessarily need a nerf by any means, I just think a few civs need better cost effective counters to artillery in age 3, etc.
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I am trying to think, if gatlings are nerf, does the US have anything âgoodâ against infantry or a sort of skirm related comp from other civs?
Their cav have no upgrades until like imp. State militia get outranged. They have the Uhlan and Magyar Hussar shipments but those are more one offs.
cause if not then its probably better to have like slight buffs to the civs that have bad matchup towards the US rather then nerfing the gatlings themselves
maybe give haud access to like an early light cannon shipment that has reduced range or something
Well i guess they could nerf gatling guns. But this should result in a buff to something else for US.
Generally US does well in infantry wars. Regulars , state militia, sharpshooters, marines, all excel at infantry combat and are usually better than their equivalent from other civs.
But they get hard countered by cavalry and soft countered by artillery because gatling are far weaker than falconets and the game is balanced around falconets.
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Gatling guns donât really need a nerf if your opponent builds a lot of them just build culverins. Also relying on falconets as your artillery usually ends bad if you run into someone who builds horse artillery
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En tu opiniĂłn ÂżCĂłmo las arreglarĂas?
Here if the famous phrase âcannon fodderâ applies. XD
ya, lemme train some culvs as lakota, hold up
I think Gatling Guns are fine as they are. At the very most, a modest cost increase of +25 wood might be warranted. They are quite strong against infantry but they are slow enough that you can avoid that engagement and they can be countered by Falconets so you donât even need to make Culverins.
Gatling Camels on the other hand are a completely busted unit.
- They do 50% more damage to heavy infantry and the same damage versus Skirmishers as Gatling Guns
- They are supposedly countered by cavalry, but have way more effective health and speed than Gatling Guns and are tagged as light cavalry, so anti-artillery specialized units like Yabusame or Oprichnik are useless versus them
- They are light cavalry so they benefit from Ranged Cavalry Caracole making them even stronger
- Their cost is only 400 coin and population space is only 4
They need to be nerfed
- Their cost should be increased to at least 500 coin and population space upped to 5
- Their range and range resistance should be reduced so Skirmishers can at least attempt to get some shots off against them and cavalry can close in on them more effectively (Ranged Cavalry Caracole already gives them +2 range)
- Possibly be given the siege unit tag so units like Oprichnik can counter them (this would make them stronger against buildings though)
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Well, I guess this is a treaty specific problem, since gatling camels are almost never to be seen in supremacy. They are either imperial age (available to one civ only) or industrial age mercs (very rarely), so I think they are fine. Gives them a reason to exist.
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On that note I donât think Iâve ever seen anyone use a gatling camel in the the year Iâve been playing that I can remember.
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