You don’t need fast healing as Dehli even. You can jusr stack 3 schoolars on a unit (horsemen/spear) and use it to tank.
I didn’t understand where is the benefit of these civilizations against MAA which is the subject of this post
camels are good against mounts
Ottoman has free troops, but you can’t rely on them on a large scale and MAA can fight large army of light units
Chinese get stronger economy, build walls quickly
the point here is apparently that you want to weaken a civilization so that it gains a unique advantage against everything
I was plat 2 seasons ago, I haven’t played rankeds since.
But man, you are the guy saying here that china is worst than abba against feudal MAA rush. Just build some outposts with cannons, the BBQ and strategic pallisades, mass zhugenu and you are covered from feudal MAA.
Also if you are going military wing you go then camels??? What kind of diamond are you? You know that it only applies to infantry?
If you are going camels get fresh foodstuffs, but if you go camels vs english rush you will be done as fast as the other guy trains a few longbows.
Also, do the maths of fresh foodstuffs, you think 15% more health for your 10 spears is worth? Or better save food and train a few more spears? …
You don’t go military wing AND camel, it’s EITHER OR. When you don’t want camel then go bootcamp with your army but ofc it’s not a good strat. That’s why camel + eco wing is more preferred. The food you save with eco wing allows you to sustain camel production. Man, you’re very argumentative, you need to read between the lines or no one would bother discussing with you.
We are in off topic here I think, but I would only say that I played Abba the most, is my main civ, and if spot an english or an HRE doing barracks to push me with MAA, I wouldn’t train camels, why?
Because in the case you can sustain a camel production from an archery range, the guy in front just needs to train cheapers archers and snipe your camels. Also, which civs can feudal MAA rush you?
HRE can, but they are better getting burgrave and rushing you in castle.
The other option is english, and if you train camels vs longbows…
The only reason to go feudal camels is the same reason you go knights as french: raid.
Sorry but I don’t think camels are good to defend a feudal rush.
You have answered it yourself: Abba doesnt have issue with feudal MAA rush.
I was talking in general, not as abbasid.
MAA rush is only a problem when HRE goes meinwerk+burgrave. And if you spot HRE going meinwerk in feudal just rush to castle and do a lot of xbows.
It’s so predictable that I don’t see where is the problem, it’s the same as french rush, it’s always the same, if you fall to that rush simply the other player played better…
And to return to the theme of this post… Don’t you really see how easy you can defend your eco as china?
I wouldn’t reprat the same… But just try what I suggested you. How did you fall as china against feudal rush? Against which civ? And what did you try?
Maybe if you answer these questions I can understand better what the problem is. Also, think that giving zhugenu +1 vs heavy would also make them better vs french feudal knights.
china:imperial offical+faster building speed+defensive landmark+faster villager creation=super fast booming also defensive buildings fires gun which good against man at arms