MAA counters ZGN even harder than horsemen (thanks to their ranged armor) and that’s so unreasonable for a unit that you have to spend 600 resources to unlock. It makes sense for ZGN to get more dps vs MAA.
This guy sounds exactly like a plastic league or a bronzie. Ofc at this level you wouldn’t be playing China and also MAA rush is not a thing…
Abba, Delhi and Otto have no issue vs MAA. They all have great solutions to deal with MAA rush, while Abba and Otto are more than happy to fight in extended feudal.
China is the only civ that has no solid answer to feudal MAA rush.
You reckon that your solution and my suggestion achieves similar things? Although I don’t like yours because it affects many feudal MAA as well as non feudal MAA civs. My change is more specific at targeting China vs HRE (one of the worse match ups since the beginning of aoe 4) and to a lesser extend English.
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what you propose does not only affect china vs hre, it affects the whole game as well (china vs all), because all civilizations have heavy units including english which has since age 1
I am not saying that they don’t exist, but I have yet to see a match at the competitive level where MAA are trouncing ZGN. If anything, ZGN seem to be the one unit that players just mass without even worrying about defending with counter units. Between China’s age 2 tower wonder and the easy two tc boom, this just doesn’t appear to be an issue.
at feudal age you dont have counter to man at arms they are too strong for that age so it needs to have 1 less melee armor so the civs dont have man at arms can stand a little bit strong and in castle age china has crossbows they counter the man at arms and if the zgn going to get bonus damage against armour it needs to cost more because they cost same with archer and do far more damage than archer to normal units already.
I am at platinum rank.
So, tell me, why are abba and otto happy to fight in feudal? You didn’t mention Delhi, and from that list they are probably the civ who takes more benefits from staying in feudal.
Why does abbasid, delhi or ottos have great solutions to MAA rush at feudal? They have exactly the same things as china, and china itself has more choices when song dinasty is reached.
You call me plastic league and you are here saying china has no feudal response to MAA. Abba does? You are saying probably the expensive camel archer is a good feudal response?
Delhi and probably ottos are happy to fight in feudal, what about abbasid? Why do you think they are happy to fight in feudal?
Abbasid are one of the weaker feudal civs, their power increases the more wings and special techs you unlock, being one of the best booming civs (aside with china). And whereas china or delhi can increase their military production rate (even ottos can) in feudal, they just have the camel archer, a very expensive unit for a feudal eco easily countered by a few archers.
You said a lot of things but gave 0 arguments. So please, enlighten the plastic guys and give some argument about the things you say, til that, you keep being another who came here to cry about a rush strategy and why his favourite civ need to have some buff to fight this specific strategy.
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Actually you can reach castle age by 10 minutes, and feudal at minute 4-5, so really the time window to make some damage at feudal is very low, and the player investing in the attack is taking a lot of risks by centering his eco in developing a feudal rush.
Punishing these kind of strategies by nerfing them or buffing feudal units would only make them unviable, and spears got actually +1 attack in the latest patch.
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they can do a lot of damage while you are trying to reach castle age
man at arms too strong for other feudal units if they make it 1 less melee armor at feudal age it wont make them unviable it actually balances game a little bit more
I am not in favor of nerfing even more some aggressive strats.
Right now defend is easier enough, not needed of making it easier.
Also the spearmen buff wouldn’t act as the thing you are demanding here? They got buffed in the last patch.
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arent you reading what i write there where did this spearman come from im talking about feudal man at arms and lowering their melee armour 1 doesnt effect agressive strats dont worry,they are overpowering other units in the feudal age right now just put a couple man at arms to your army and they tank the whole damage
Lowering their melee armor means make spearmen, horsemen, or musofadi better against them, musofadi are already good against MAA, so your fix would make musofadi even better against them.
I’ve played more than 700h this game and I never noticed feudal MAA a problem.
Talking about HRE and MAA rush, it’s more dangerous the fast they can reach castle age with burgrave and flood your base with castle MAA.
are you really playing this game musofadi is counter to man at arms thats why they are good agains it dont talk wtihout knowing anything feudal man at arms are big problem its hard to win against them at feudal age their only counter is musofadi warriors.
You played 700 game but you still dont know which one counters which one 
im not talking about that whats it to do with the things i said,this is so irrelevant and dont write anything without reading
I just said lowering their armor would make musofadi better against MAA, where did I say something like musofadi is not a counter? Your fix to the problem would just make musofadi better, meaning they can counter MAA better, then people would come to the forum saying MAA are useless because musofadi obliterate them.
The second thing sorry, I am trying to understand what you wrote but you expresse yourself very bad.
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you are making me angry im writing feudal man at arms you still writing nonesense like this
look i even highlighted the part where you need to read and understand
What makes you angry is the fact you struggle against feudal pushes because bronze people can’t stand against rush strategies.
Btw you weren’t the guy saying china was trash and needed a lot of buffs in a china post? Hilarious.
And to finish this, if you look at pros with english they no longer comb archers+MAA on feudal because after spearmen buff they are way better composition.
So your problem may be you don’t know how to defend against rushes, not MAA at all.
what makes me angry people like you who dont have ability understand what is writen there and making nonesense first learn to read
no that wasnt me
i just watch a pro used the strat you say today
Abba: camel archer kiting/military wing boot camp. Idk why you think camel archer isnt good? They are a GREAT response to MAA rush.
Otto: aoe healing + mehter + free units
Dehli: cheap schoolars stack healing (military units can also drop wall)
China: ??
Military wing is useless in feudal, fresh foodstuffs is way better, and camel archer is too expensive and production time is too long to be able to deal with a rush.
I can’t talk very much about ottos because I haven’t used them enough, but using the vizier to get the monk won’t save your spearmen or archers from MAA, he can get snipped easy.
About Delhi, fast healing is a castle tech, and cheap scholars just in case you get the landmark, also as delhi you fight MAA in feudal by training a lot more units or just going turtle mode and rushing castle age, that’s all.
China: ???
Chinese can build outposts and defenses 50% faster, can secure their resources using the BBQ, the TC and outposts with cannons, can passively generate gold and then keep all their villagers gathering food or wood or whatever you need to defend, and zhugenu it’s way way more effective fighting MAA than archers, even if you are fighting an english, Zhugenu melts english longbows.
Shall I continue? Just watch pros using china and learn. China is one of the hardest civs to rush, if you are getting rushed it’s because the other player is just better than you.
This is the reason why you are plat, you need to be more reactive and change the way you think about strategy (I’m diamond btw)