Greek Major God idea: Hestia

Basically, the idea was an all Goddessess roster meant to emulate the Amazons. So in an ideal version of this suggestion playing as Hestia would turn all your Human Soldiers female. I didn’t pick Demeter because everyone seems to suggest Demeter as the fourth Major Greek God, and I didn’t want this idea to compete with those.

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kudos fo the effort. but what i also like, and personally never would have thought of, to use a DLC not only for additional content but also as a reskin opportunity.
i like the idea of turning all units into basically amazons. makes sense to use hera and artemis there but i could see some ppl complaining “we got 3 new minor gods for freyr and x why not here too?!” unfortunately hera is still a minor god and artemis makes way too much sense to take her. hm

i like the hero options too maybe cause i played tw troy mythos and i liked penthesilea there a lot. enyo and harmonia are interesting choices i personally wouldn’t have thought of immediately but they contrast each other and make sense not only cause they are females. (totally forgot about enyo honestly)
not sure about the myth units tho. upgrades sound cool.
and yes you are right everyone and their mothers suggest demeter so seeing hestia as a major god is kinda refreshing.

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Yeah, I like the idea of reskins. I also had an idea for a Nubian reskin for the Egyptians.

I really didn’t want to replace Artemis and Hera, they just made too much sense to me. MAYBE Hera can be replaced with another goddess, but definitely not Artemis, she’s too connected with the Amazon myth.

Yeah, this was partly inspired by Troy: Total War. :rofl:

Yeah, I intentionally picked them because they’re opposites, it just fit really well to have them as options.

Erinyes is perfect for Enyo, since Eris was believed to be another name for Enyo by Homeric times, and Erinyes is possibly derived from Eris. I could also see them as wingless instead of flying, depending on which myth is used.

For Harmonia, I picked the Drakon because her lover Cadmus was one of two big dragonslayers in Greek mythology, and I couldn’t really think of any other mythical creature associated with her.

Yup, Demeter is the poster child for Greek suggestions ATM. :sweat_smile:

I kinda thought about a similar thing.

What would be the best way to do Amazons in AoMR, or generally how to do variant civilisations I guess.

What other variants have you thought about? I only have Amazons and Nubians in my head. Maybe Dwarves too but Thor already exists.

So, basically a fully amazonian themed DLC. Interesting.
The idea of having certain Major gods give certain aspects of the faction, such as the military, a reskin, is interesting.
I think I’ve seen the Nubian idea mentioned before somewhere else, not sure tho.
Freyr would have been the perfect opportunity for elves. Maybe replacing dwarves, and giving them a bonus at gathering food instead of the bonus on gold the dwarves have? IDK.
With Freyr not having elves, they’re either not coming at all, or we’ll get Celts with fey. Maybe the reason why Freyr doesn’t have elves is that we’re getting Celts with fey.

Those 2 are the first game come to mind.
On top of that some Hybrid Atlantean Greek civs might make sense since they share a pantheon already.
Poseidon as an Atlantean Major God and maybe Kronos as a Greek one with both civilisations having mixed units and features from both civilisations.

I thought about Elves maybe. But that would be more fantasy then Mythology. A Dwarves only civilisation might still be interesting.

Future civilisations might give some potential for that too.
Babylonains, Assyrans, Akkadians, Sumerians, Hurrians and maybe even Elamites could be variants of each other.

A Hindu Pantheon would also be interesting for variant civilisations with more then just one unique unit for different civilisations within India and beyond.

Buddhists would likely have to be very different between Major Gods because of the very different areas.
Maybe Buddhism could be exists as a variant civilisation of Japanese, Indian and Chinese?

South East Asia is a mix of different cultures and religions so it could be a place that needs a different approach.

The people of the steppes also had similar religious believes across many different languages and cultures.

Elves do exist in Norse mythology. There’s Alfheim and Swartalfheim/Nidavellir, and there’s a debate going on about whether or not dwarves and dark elves are the same thing. Other than that, they’re barely mentioned. Freyr is specified as the ruler of Alfheim, I think, despite being a Vanir god from Vanaheim.
So if any Norse god should come with elves, it’s Freyr.

Elves of mythology are more fairy or ghost like beings then the more human like ones from fantasy.

But yeah if anything they would be available for Freyr but there is not hint for that yet. We’ll find out tomorrow.

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There’s this guy on Steam who keeps insisting that Norse Elves are balls of light and Dwarves are maggot-people, despite norse sources directly saying that dwarves have “man-like” appearence, simply because they were made from maggots.
Humans were made from trees, according to the Norse creation myth. Did the norse look like Groot? I don’t think so.
Light elves are said to be bright, brighter than the sun to gaze at, according to one source, but that doesn’t necessarily mean “made out of light” either.
Ultimately, we’d have to ask an actual Norse person to know for sure.

If you ask me, Freyr won’t have elves, and the Norse also won’t get elves later down the line.
The fey of celtic mythology are closer to the elves from fantasy we’re so accustomed to.

I would put Enyo, Hebe, and Iris as her minor goddesses.

Think your leaning to hard into the Amazons with heroes. Enyo unit upgrades look crazy strong i really like Harmonia myth unit though

Interesting concept but there’s one glaring problem with Hestia as a major god: the premise of this game is gods fighting each other and Hestia doesn’t get involved in such conflicts. That’s why there are so few stories about her. She stays out of the drama.

There are plenty of gods in the game that don’t get into conflict with other gods.

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Definitely an interesting concept, although not one that appeals to me really. I doubt I’d play her.

Who’s your Mythic age god and what’s her stuff?

Those are Artemis and Hera from the base game.

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Thanks - didn’t recognise Artemis!

I used the Beta portraits cause i made this before I had the release images extracted.

Coincidentally, I’m working on a concept of Hestia as a 4° Major God too, and I see some things that both our concepts have in common.

I’ll try to give it my constructive opinions:

  • Changing all military units to be female might be too much, and it would hurt readability, creating confusion for new players. Although if you give them a female UU and a all 4 female heroines, I would call it a day.

  • I like the idea of giving them amazons heroines (I’ve gone down the heroes of Troy route) but remember that the mythic age hero are usually mythical units, or have similar features (cyclop, pegasus, medusa). It’s not enough that they are good fighters. I would suggest Medea instead, the spouse of Jason, which is said that se had a chariot trained by 2 serpents/dragons.

  • I think that you probably wanted to have a secondary god that had access to hera, but hera have a technology reseaved just for zeus, argive patronage, which gives mirmidon. I would instead create a third minor god for the mythic age, to pair with Artemis (which also seems the norm for new major gods). I would suggest either Demeter or Persephone.

  • Consider switching the new MU, having ranged flying units in age 2 might be too strong and oppressive. Also, norse won’t have an answer for them until the heroic age, so it might be too unbalanced.

  • Some techs are really strong, some too much. Maybe restrain daughter of ares to just some units, or the heroes. The peltast +1 speed too is super strong too, maybe change it into a percentile.

  • On the contrary, her base bonuses seems a bit weak. A faster gathering rate is never bad, but her other 2 bonus are quite weak when compared to other major gods. I would also suggest that thematically, she shouldn’t be an archer gods, as that is already the bonus of hades.

Good work overall, especially the presentation. I wish I would be able to create such presentations for my civ concepts.

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Not the major gods. It would make sense for Hestia to be a minor defensive god but but no one went to war for Hestia.

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