[Helping weak civs] some minor ideas for improvements

Age of Empires II: DE II - Discussion
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Also, no spoilers on the results for people who still has to vote.

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My question was Indian-specific. If I play Mayans I want to build a castle to create a UU which is more expensive and with less range than my cheap crossbowman. Basically because plumes, in practice, are much better.

If I play Indians, should I go for EAs instead of xbow/CA? So, is a CA strategy better than an EA strategy assuming the same price?

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Depends.
If you want to raid, go for CAs and Camels, since they are actually a great combo for it.
Instead, if your aim is to push towards the enemy Town, then Crossbows and Rams (Manos will also do the trick, specially because your whole army is Ranged), with a few EAs, will be the better option.

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Yes no I get it, my point was, with koreans when you go for WW and why? Then see is you can transfer the same reasoning to the Indians.

To some extent, plumes are more similar to CA them an xbow.

Righ now, the only viable combos with the EA that comes to mind is EA (as a meatshield) and HC, but onestly, hussars or camels can do a better job than the EA.

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Even if Elephant Archers costed as much as CA i.e. 40W 60G, Cav archers would still be a better choice.
You know it, I know it, They know it.

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The issue is that, unless you are playing black forest, you need both. Capabilities of raiding and pushing. CAs do both, EAs do not.

So my feeling is that, even if they had the same cost, CAs would still be better in the majority of the cases.

However, pretty sure that if someone proposed to put the EA cost equal to the on of CA, everyone (including myself) would think that EA would become OP

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In some sense it is a smooth transition. WWs are a bit faster also.

When playing Britons, Vietnameses, Chineses, typically you like crossbowman play into arbalest. Than, later, you are willing to replace arbalest with your UU, simply because it does a very similar role but better.

In some sense, Koreans are an archer civ with very expensive UU, but very powerful. This may be a reason.

Assuming again the same cost, would you pick EA over rattans? Or longbowman? Or chuck?

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Exactly, koreans go for WW because, despite being costly, they do well what they were meant do, a CA more slow but also more tanky, so difficult to kill that you can use either to raid or to pressure.

EA can’t raid, they have less speed and attack, but despite their HP, their lack of bonus damage and the fact that they have a lot of counters make them difficult to use them as a push unit too.

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Ok I created a new topic, with some pools, to see in general what people think about the potentially new balance changes for the next patches.
Here, on the forums and especially in this discussion I know pretty much the opinion of all of you regarding the balance, but I would like to add to ours, the option of more people that like AoE2, but lack the time to talk about it here, or in general in the forums.

It not perfect the pool that I made, but it’s decent in my opinion, and since right now it’s kind of my work to do pools in general, I thought to make one about AoE2 too.

That’s why I created this pools, so that more people can quickly share a bit of their opinion, there are only 9 questions, so it’s a lot more fast than read everyone’s answers and write one yourself, by that, I hope to reach more people, and have a more big and clear picture.

On this, I hope you all can help me, first go to the discussion in the link, answer to all 9 pools, and then share the link in the other discussions on the forum (if I post the link myself on more discussion I risk to be flagged for spam) and, if you can, outside the forum too.

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Despite all of this results of the poll, I’m 100% sure that in this patch

  1. Elephant Archers won’t be buffed.

  2. Plumed Archers won’t be nerfed.

  3. Condottiero won’t be buffed.

  4. Genoese Crossbowman won’t be buffed.

  5. Mongols and Aztecs won’t be nerfed.

  6. Turks and Koreans won’t be buffed.

Actual Balance Changes
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Yes, that is why I was skeptical about buffing them to make them viable, proposing a different mechanics

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Maybe but in the next patches who knows


There are some units/civs needing some love and devs have been careful to this up to now

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Regarding the nerf of some UUs/civs
 well
 for me the only civ that may be nerfed is Chinese. If there is a tournament where this civ is banned it is enough to understand that it is too much.

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That’s the point, to see if the decision of the devs and the desire/expectations of the fans are coerent.

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You can’t guarantee that.

Why would thry need to be nerfed? Mayans aren’t op.

Most people probably don’t even care.

Again you can’t be 100% sure.

Thry aren’t op, why do they need to be nerfed?

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It was banned in redvull because 3 extra workers is op.

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Ask that to all those who voted that way

Ask that to all those who voted that way

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How many people actually voted? My guess? Less then 10.

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That’s why, besides investigate the people preference, I asked what they fell that will be adressed, so if there is a big difference between what people desire, and what people think will “receive” we will will have a primitive measure of how much people think the devs listen to their desire.
Also we can see if the fanbase is capable of anticipy the incoming changes, and in what measure.

Yes well, maybe was a mistake to let people see the results before the pool is closed, however I hope that with everyones’ help, we are able to reach a sufficient number, so that the results are more consistent.

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btw too anyone saying leitis should be nerfed. You realize that lithuanians aren’t op right now right? They were literally crap before the buff and are now riding 50%

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