You HAVE misrepresented me repeatedly as you keep claiming I want to keep the old balance and you’ve even called me a puritain despite the fact that I’m happy with all the new expansions, the changes to DE so far and all the balance changes. I’ve made it very clear that I want good changes just not absurd overhauls.
And now you misrepresent me yet again. I NEVER SAID that YOU were suggesting that half of the civs had knights replaced with steppe lancers. What I’m complaining about is the idea of overhauling many of the old civs and replacing their knights with steppe lancers. Mongols have always had knights and it would be silly to remove knights from them. It’s bad enough with one civ but it’s a slipperly slope to changing more. You said “They really need to give the older civs an overhaul to make them more historically accurate. There’s no reason for far-east civs to have European-stlye knights” and you went on to suggest removing the knight line from some older civs. You didn’t specifically say that half of the civs’ knights should be removed, but I didn’t specifically say that you said that either, and when you’re talking about overhauling multiple old civs it certainly sounds like that.
So, don’t ruin half of the civs, just many of the old ones, then? Historical accuracy shouldn’t ruin the gameplay and there’s more to good gameplay than gamebalance, as well. Like I said, mirror maps are a great way of balancing the game but scrapping random maps and replacing them with mirror maps would be a balance improvement that would ruin the game.
Balance changes need to be made that DON’T overhaul things.
Tweaking and improving the balance for the old civs is great. Overhauling the old civs completely is totally nuts.
Whether it’s 50% of the civs having knights removed, 40% or 30% is completely besides the point. Completely overhauling old civs is nuts. Balancing and tweaking improving is one thing … completely overhauling stuff is going far beyond what a remaster or definitive edition is supposed to do.
I don’t understand why I have to be so thorough in explaining why this is such a silly idea.
Even giving ONE of the old civs Steppe Lancers is silly enough already. The Steppe Lancers is a unit shared between the Cumans and the Tartars similar to how eagle warriors are shared between the meso civs.
Wow, and I thought that my idea of removing the steppe lancers from the Cumans was bad enough when I realized it would interfere with the Cumans’ campaign if the Cumans have lancers in their campaign.
So now when people play the old Mongols campaign in AoE2 you think that they should replace all the mongol knights in the old campaigns, with all the classic memories, with steppe lancers?
That wouldn’t be a definitive edition or remaster. That would indeed be an overhaul/remake … which is not what DE is about! It’s not rocket science! You can’t take knights away from the old civs and replace them with steppe lancers! And Steppe lancers is supposed to be a unit that makes some of the new civs special … it already doesn’t make much sense to give it to old civs but to REPLACE the knights of civs like Mongols with Steppe Lancers … it’s completely nuts. In the name of “historical accuracy” … historical accuracy has never been prioritized over gameplay in AoE and thank goodness for that.
I just … don’t even … the degree of terribleness of overhauling old civs to such a large degree cannot be overstated.