but now its not just obligated. your opponents can now grab relics and laugh at your imp age. whereas before if you got a good 3/2 you had a strong imp, now you have a laughable imp.
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Sorry, that is not happening. Better to adapt to the upcoming patch, and if Lithuanians play out as you say, pray they receive a buff.
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what i see happening is Lithuanians now all inning in castle age.
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Your imp will still be still be solid (not amazing, just pretty good), this is just exagerating honestly.
Tbh I would rather have them get +1 attack on cavalry each age (or revert the BF removal and replace the relic bonus with a plain +1 attack starting at castle age) but I think the civ will do fine enough to not be in huge need of a buff. The problem is just mixed maps.
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Thereâs now way to convince people of that, as much as their beloved Frankish paladins exists to spam elsewhere yeah, you can give them examples, stats, etc. Can you even remember a pro complaining of the bonus?
And who knows if it can be reverted, the Kipchak nerf of less arrows was reverted so.
PFF to play Boring Franks at TGs?
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both Franks and Teutons will have similar Paladins, with both having better economies. and non deniable bonuses.
meanwhile Lithuanian Siege is also inferior to both.
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Yes, but neither of them have knights as good as Liths on castle age and have fairly weak trash. Its still not as good as the other civs but its not that terrible
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weak trash doesnât matter in team games. furthermore Franks have the ultimate trash killer unit. the TA.
but the thing is - the civ didnât need to be nerfed this far.
look at what they did with franks - some minor nerfs to contain them some.
Lithuanians? gotta hatchet that civ.
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I see where you are coming from in your arguments, but letâs not forget how strong their skirms and halberdiers are.
And yes, their halbs are losing blast furnace, but most of their damage is bonus anyway. They still move faster and have more pierce armor.
A Lithuanian player would still go cavalry in castle and make the switch to Leitis in imperial.
Lithuanians are still one of, if not the best dark age civs. They have strong trash in feudal and castle and there is no reason they canât, all things being equal, grab 2 or 3 relics minimum.
I donât know, maybe losing blast furnace really sucks but I just donât see the sky falling with this.
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pure defensive options that arenât going to win you the game, and wonât see team game play.
no, they have normal pierce armor of 4 total.
leitis? in team game? you got to be kidding me.
but 2 or 3 relics only is going to make for a terrible imperial. and they already have a weak early castle age.
And being just 19 attack paladins, how, whatsâthat clownery 
Theres really no other way, the inclusion of winged hussar (no gold cost) implies the need to nerf the knight line.
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Exactly, Lithuanians mustnât get Winged Hussar, even for balance
which is why adding the winged hussar to them was dumb.
Yeah we come to the question if historically accept the winged hussar or keep them as they are, I dont know lithuanian history, but I would rather keep winged hussar exclusively to Polish, but I am ignorant of lithuanian history
If these changes will get pushed through thatâs not too bad. They still have excellent trash, we still donât know how good the winged hussar is, but according to the Poles description they are âmedium cavalryâ. Also the Leitis will be a great 1v1 option. I donât think that the now +2 paladins in team games is bad.
Taking into consideration that balance is mainly aimed at 1v1 scenarios where this is a good nerf.
And letâs be honest. When are you getting blast furnace anyway lol
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I forgot they donât get the final infantry armor, point taken.
Leitis used to be very popular in team games when they were first released. They may be more weak to pierce damage now but they are a solid unit.
Maybe people will finally learn the value of Hill Forts too.
Lithuanians have a lot to offer- even after this nerf.
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I agree its not too bad, but lithuanian players WILL have to get relics now to get regular paladins ( 2 relics)
the problem i have is its now objectively worse then farimba in all regards except 2. farimba costs 1100 resources and isnât available until imperial age.
but farimba applies to more units.
farimba is permanent and canât be denied.
farimba also gives a bigger bonus.
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Malians will be very interesting too now, and Cumans will be really really interesting, excited to play them, Steppe lance with the ratio fire to 2.0 will be good