A common definition for a tribe is a group of people that all have common ancestry, or a common ancestor, a common culture, and (live in their own enclosed society)Study.com
“Locals that remained in northern Albanian areas associated with the tribes have maintained an awareness of their tribal identity.” - Wikipedia.com
In modern day Montenegro, clan and tribal manner is still embedded in cultural identity.
In modern censuses of Montenegro, descendants identify as Montenegrins, Serbs, ethnic Muslims and Bosniaks, and Albanians . The organisational structure varies significantly between various clans and tribes. Traditionally, the Vojvoda was regarded as the highest authority in the tribe. - Wikipedia.com
And regarding the Bosnia and Montenegro as a Serbian lands.
Rulers of Bosnia and Montenegro had always been of Serb origin, and of Serb blood. Majority of Montenegrin’s are Serbs, except Albanians. Montenegro means Црна Гора in Serbian, which means black mountain.
It’s like saying Vojvodjani are residents of the Vojvodina (Serbian Autonomous Province). They are not Vojvodjani as a ethnic group but as a regional designation of a province.
The term represents a regional designation and can refer to members of various nations and ethnic groups living in this area.
I never intended to offend anyone, sometimes you must live in the Balkans to understand regional history.
You should really stop following this narrative of tribal barbarian… whatever.
It’s just different cultures, none of them has the right to claim superiority over the other.
That’s why I tried to encourage @UnpricedCar9 to actually look for forum members of the other balkan cultures/states and sit together, try to get a solution they can propose together.
I feel really uncomfortable with this discussion tbh.
No, its not nationalistic propaganda, and yes, it’s almost across the whole middle ages except Nicholas of Ilok who was appointed “King of Bosnia” (1471–1477) by the King of Hungary. He was of a Croatian–Hungarian noble family, and that’s after Bosnian kingdom fell in 1463 and became part of the Ottoman Empire.
All Bosnian rulers, containing bans and kings were Serbs and had Serb names and surnames used even today regulary in Serbia, except Nicholas of Ilok as i mentioned.
I no longer have aspirations to answer your questions, regarding your lack of knowledge, impudence or whatever it is. This is my final post regarding your quotes or anyone else’s about this topic you opened.
I think you made a great serbian civ concept.
Maybe you should just stick with serbia and leave the other balkan states for themselves. I think it’s just not your business. I can see you don’t feel comfortable in this discussion and most of us neither.
How about you move this to PMs or something, or the thread will be derailed, which most people just established they don’t want to happen if the conversation turns into this.
I would be fine with that. But I can’t cause I don’t have the historic expertise for that.
I would probably also use “unpersonal” marks then which just state that this is a misleading or wrong display of history when we go this path.
Cause we know there is a lot of desinformation out there and everybody can just use the wrong sources even if he has the best intentions.
I think it is both important, we try to keep historic accuracy and leave all cultures the freedom for their own depictation. But we should also respect that it’s really hard to stay accurate if you don’t have that historic background - we want encourage people to make civ concepts and not discourage by unachievable demands. So then I think it’s important that the labels aren’t personal even if the discussion in the thread might have become toxic because of the wrong portray.
As it looks like our request to pin this thread (maybe in the modding section) is just ignored I would propose a different method.
A) Everybody how makes a new civ concept adds a link in his opening post to this thread: [Hub] Civilization Concepts
This will also make it easier to collect all the new civ concepts here as we can just catch them from the footer of this threads opening post. But the main point is that then the [HUB] aspect of this thread works properly in all directions. It makes sure that we get all concepts in.
B) We make like every 3 months different polls like this one: [Poll](Updated) Which civs would you like to see in the game? (All popularly requested civs included)
Where we link all the civs that are included in the polls from this thread. Instead of a wiki page we use the direct links we gladly have collected here already. And then we make a simple refer to this Page so everybody who is interested in keeping this thread alive gets a link.
I think the best situation when making this kind of polls is when there is not much discussion about actual stuff going on like currently. So we do 2 things at once: We open a new discussion at a time where the content creation has slowed down a bit, which ofc will occur from time to time especially if there are no “big tourneys” going on and we keep up the work of people who try to give inspirations for modders despite they don’t have the capabilities of doing modding themselves.
What do you think about this idea?
Do we now have collected all the “old” civilisation concepts? Can everybody who made civ concepts please look in his/her thread history and tell me? I hope I got all, but it’s a really annoying task to “fish” them out. And like with all annoying tasks you will very likely oversee stuff.
(Except the ones of this week, I will include them tomorrow or saturday)
You reckon? I honestly don’t really feel like anything that happens on the forums seems linked to tourneys very much. Some of the other sites? Sure, but the forums seem to kind of do their own thing for the most part.
Really? Maybe some of it was before my time, you’ve been here about a year longer than I have after all. I don’t know, I just feel like I don’t really see all that many topics about tourneys on here, at least not recently. Sure, you get some, and people mention them in posts sometimes, but I don’t feel like I’ve seen that many topics about any, at least not recently.
I don’t know why you’re going this circuitous route. “Montenegro” just means black mountain in a handful of languages without having to go through Serbian.
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