Ideas for Fourth God for existing Civs?

Age of Mythology: Retold Discussion
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Everything that happened in the New Atlantis campaign is honestly pretty stupid and most people agree with that but we can’t really undo that.

The Atlantean civilisation in its unit, technology and building description clearly existed for a long time and also clearly existed before the fall of Atlantis. So there was obviously an Atlantean civilisation in Atlantis.

According to the campaign they started worshipping Poseidon at some point. So it could explain why they “become” Greek.
So in my theory the Atlanteans from New Atlantis are just returning to their old culture and not inventing a new one.

For gameplay reasons the civ in the first few missions of the Fall of the Trident campaign can’t be changed (it would be confusing to new players) but the enemy civilisation in the last 2 mission and the dream mission could be changed to be Atlantean.
Also your allies in the first scenario could be Atlantean and they could have Atlantean buildings and send you Atlantean units as reinforcements at the end.

So the Poseidon Atlanteans would not be a playable civilisation in the Fall of the Trident campaign but an enemy civilisation.

A civilisation with a mix between Atlantean and Greek elements would also be very interesting.
My idea would be that the buildings and the economy would be fully Atlantean but some of the military units, ships and the Minor Gods would be Greek.
So you would have Atlanteans with Citizens and Hoplites. This would also add Hoplite Heros to the game too of course.

For example the Military Barracks units would be Greek (Hoplite, Toxotes and Hippeus) while the Counter Barracks units would be Atlantean (Katapeltes, Turma and Cheiroballista). The Age availability would need to be changed of course because they are currently all Classical Age units.
Palace would be fully Atlantean while the dock would be fully Greek.

I think that could be a very interesting civilisation to play.

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I’d totally play this if it was a mod, all the components for it are basically there to make it even.
But if it was presented to me as a DLC, I’d groan and probably complain how it’s trying the very thing all those new disney Star War movies does:
No, I don’t need Han Solo’s “Noodle Incidents” as a movie, I don’t need a Kenobi interqual show, Rogue One was the most OK and it sure was pushing it.

Star Wars is the perfect analogy, Extended Universe Expanding on the canon gave us “Knights of the Old Republic”, “Jedi Academy” and more.
Disney milking (not counting 7,8,9 I hate those too but they’re utside the scope of this analogy) gave us boring, unseasoned slop.

Your post does get the curiousity going, but the pain I’ve accumulated over the years turns much of the exitement into dread. This subject really is the field for a passionate modder.

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As an official DLC it would have the potential to introduce new content like new Minor Gods as well as some new units like hero version of Greek units.
This would be more new content then Freyrs God pack even if it technically doesn’t include a new Major God.
The new Poseidon would also get a new portrait and new statue to fit in the the Atlantean theme.

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Hey Guys!

Hope this conversation is not dead haha
Because I bring you

4th Major God and Its Minor Gods

(my version)

Major God : Shang Di (Supreme Ruler of Chinese Myth’s Heaven)

Focus : Favors and Military Units

God Power : Yellow River Sky

Explanation : give you boostful of favors (rise up each age)

Technology :

  • Give all units 100 healthpoints
  • Kuafus and peasants also generates favors while working on resources (wood,food,and gold)
  • Kuafus : 5 / resources
  • Peasants : 3 / resources
  • Military Camp, Machine Workshop, Imperial Academy, Baolei, and Temples upgrades for military units and myth units are becoming faster, 2x faster than before.

Hero : Fu Hao
Explanation : She is wife of Emperor Wu Ding who ruled Shang Dynasty in 1250 - 1200 BCE. She also serve as general of thousand troops and as priestess of polytheistic religion with Shang Di as its central God.
For gameplay, I recommend she wear battle axe and sword

Skill : Military Grappling : she hook the enemy in front of her… Then she rotate along with her weapon, throw the enemy after she done rotating, causing spread burst damage to enemies nearby

Minor Gods :

Classic :

  • Zhao Gong Ming (God of Wealth)

Focus : Economy

God Power : Gold Providence Armor

Explanation : make your units armor become gold (just like Bronze Armor power of Dionysus)… but instead of increase your units armor, it make damage received by them turn into gold for you

Technology:

  • Wealth Taker : your units can now steal 20 gold from your enemies after 3 consequtive attacks then reset again until reach 3 attacks again

  • Blessing of Zhao Gong Ming: everytime you earn golds, you gain:
    Favors : 15
    Wood : 25

Myth unit : Shi lions : Lion statue that usually be placed in front of temples or other important places in chinese mythology…

It come in pair (one is gold and one is jet black) … slow in production

• gold : tanky… can also give you gold and wood everytime it attack enemies (much like Pixiu in Tale of the Dragon version)
• jet black : resistance to myth unit’s special ability… fast attack… but has pretty weak armor

Heroic :

  • Lei Gong (God of Thunder)

Focus : Military and Siege units

God Power : The Storm is Coming

Explanation : teleport many units (max. unit can be increased over ages) (they appears in flash, unlike Vortex power of Helios or Shifting Sand of Ptah when units is being transported 1-2 seconds after the GP is cast)

Technology :

  • Mirror of Dian Mu : damages that been taken by your military( except siege units) and myth units are being reflected to enemies that been attacking them (35% of damages)

  • Lei Gong’s Shock Blast :
    • Siege Crossbow now able to make its attack explode, sending the targets away into random direction (for example. If the crossbow attack 10 Ge Halberdier and they getting hit… They will be shocked and sent away to random direction, getting apart from each other)
    • Louchuan siege ship now able to paralyze enemy ships that make them unable to leave for 3 seconds each time they are getting hit

  • Thunder Seeped Sword : able to convert your favor into thunderous attack that enchanced your units basic attack and gain speed temporarily
    (it is active skill that can be turned off by clicking T Keyboard button (PC), R2(PS5), (I don’t know the button on Xbox one),only after attacking enemy units it is reset)
    (for example)

• military units :

  • attack +(20% x attack)
  • speed + (10% x speed)

• siege units :

  • attack +(30% x attack)
  • speed +(20% x speed)

• myth units :

  • attack +(30% x attack)
  • speed +(20% x speed)

• heroes( pioneers, sages, and demigods) :

  • attack +(50% x attack)
  • speed +(25% x speed)

Favor Usage :
• military units : 2 / usage
• siege units : 3 / usage
• myth units : 3 / usage
• heroes(pioneers, sages, demigods ) : 5 / usage

Myth unit : Lei Niao : mythical thunder bird that is one of the sons of Fenghuang(Phoenix), attack by swirling its body…creating thunderous tornado that catch and electrify enemies inside the tornado

Mythic :

  • Yu Qiang (God of Winter)

Focus : Myth units and Military Units

God Power : Hail of the Winter Curse

Explanation : Player can choose the direction of the snowy wind of winter that curse enemies to lose armor (35% to 60%) gradually until it is over

Technology :

  • Breath of Winter : your units(infantry and melee myth units) now able to breath snowy air to slow enemy units after 4th consequtive attacks (its effect wear off 3 seconds after applied) (much like Frostgiants from Norse Civil)

  • Winter Solstice Dumplings : every time you kill enemies, they will drop dumplings that can recover your units health (military and myth units) for 15% of max health

  • Wujiao Practice : turn Wu into Wuxian, shaman that able to trap enemies within small circle talisman and drain them of their health

Myth unit :

  • Kun/Peng : mythical big fish (look like whale) that can transform into huge bird with minified head of that big fish

  • Wu : witch that is ranged myth unit who can stun or paralyzed enemies using talisman

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Hello … I am new here, and I love your idea of exploring and using other dynasty myth, just like in your post, the Shang Dynasty to be the 4th of Major God of Chinese

Also, I see your technology list and it is quite lacking in building and defence, but I get it your gods focus is in military and favors

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What I want to focus here on the idea of 4th Major Chinese God is based on Shang Dynasty. Just look the hero which is wife of Wu Ding, the emperor of Shang and the wealth god Zhao Gong Ming which in mythology help the dynasty, the other gods such as Lei Gong and Yu Qiang is also compatible with Shang Di which said can control weather since they are also weather based gods

Of course, Shang Dynasty religion practice based on Shang Di, the supreme deity before he was replaced by concept Tian(just changing the name, still the same deity) in Zhou Dynasty. They were thought to be god that control victory over battlefield, weather and fate of chinese civilization.

So, to reinforce the idea of victory that this supreme god or deity offer, I thought military units and favors is the best choice… because if your military units is strong and you being granted boost of favors and favor tech by him, you can execute the strategy by using tech of any minor gods, such as using Lei Gong tech Thunder Seeped Sword to increase the damage and speed of your units, using Zhao Gong Ming tech to take golds from the enemies and increase your resources earning by his tech

Building and defence also good and important factor of gameplay… but with this major god and its minor gods have to offer, better executing on attack and seizing chances rather than passively waiting for perfect moment to strike while building defence… or these tech will go to waste

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Wow… I like the idea… thanks for explaining this to me

By the way, I get new idea for greek 4th major god

Major God and focus and god power ability:
Demeter - Goddess of Harvest
Focus : farming and building
(God Power : Full of Harvest) make production of farming 3x faster, wood gaining is 2x even tough you chop tree with normal quantities and enabling tree to grow again for 4 seconds after cutting

Minor Gods and focus and god power abilities:

Classical Age:

Persephone : Goddess of Season (God Power : 4 Seasons) give you buff based on 4 season which you have to choose one for each time you use this God Power (there will be with name of season you see below and you must spin it) :

  • Spring : give your units healing over time

  • Summer : melee military and myth units give burn damage 10 per seconds

  • Fall : damage of military and myth units increase by 15%

  • Winter : increase your units armor by 30% when facing enemies, expired when receiving no damage in 3 seconds

(It can be changed to whatever season effect you want by paying favor of 100)

Focus : myth units and villagers

Myth unit :

  • Harpy (Air) (flying myth unit that can lift up military units except naval ships… then drop them to deal heavy damage)
  • Calydonian Boar (Land) (land myth unit that take stance than charge at full speed at single target…give area stun to enemies around the target)

Heroic Age:

Hypnos : God of sleep (God power : Mass Sleep) make your enemies sleep for brief period in 4 seconds

Focus : archer and naval ships

Myth unit :

Siren (Naval) (Mermaid but more dangerous as they are able to sing to direct enemies unit to their direction and use trident to attack)

Mythic Age:

Hestia : Goddess of household (God Power : Fire Outbreak) bringing fire of Olympus to your enemies base… inflict heavy damage over time to their buildings and halting their production speed by 3/4

Focus : house, fortress and wall

Myth unit :

Geryon (Land) (3 headed, 6 arms and legs giant that is medium speed, much like Colossus of Hephaestus but durable, can change battle stance (sword(melee), shield(defence without attacking) and spear(ranged) to your liking)

Bonuses and Unique Tech:

Demeter :

•  wood chopping is 2x faster than average
•  building increase  20%  of its healthpoint
•  villager increase 30% of its healthpoint

Unique Technology :

•  Fall Harvest : for every wood you gather, you get 10 gold (increase per age)

For example :
Classic Age : 10 gold
Heroic Age : 25 gold
Mythic Age : 50 gold
• Gracious Feast : gathering wood per 100 and you will get 50 favor, 20 food, and 35 gold

Persephone :
Unique Technology :

• Erymenthian Berserk : upgrade Calydonian Boar to Erymenthian Boar that give them 25 armor, 20 attack point and ability to shoot their quill(they grow quill spikes instead of hair) that give damage once the charged is stop by 15%
• Pomegranate Seeds : increase myth unit healthpoint by 75, attack by 15% and armor by 10
• Season of Life Wheel : Bonus from 4 Seasons God Power empower villagers, give them 150 healthpoint, 10% hitpoint each time you use this God Power (expire when the wheel is turned)

Hypnos :
Unique Technology :

• Naval Melody : archer and trireme get more 20 hitpoint also get shield when Mass Sleep is over that expired in 4 seconds
• Song of the Sirens : Upgrade Siren to Nymph of Triton that get armor visually, increase healthpoint by 100,increase armor by 20% and now can used their special abilities on enemies while they are being put to sleep by Mass Sleep for 3 seconds longer and give explosive damage 10% of their healthpoint
• Odyssey : trireme, juggernaut increase 20% hack armor and pentekonter(ram ship) increase 15% hack damage

Hestia :
Unique Technology :

• Parthenon : increase temple and fortress healthpoint by 30%
• Trojan Wall : increase wall healthpoint by 20% and also resist siege damage by 30%
• Wall Defiance : increase Geryon healthpoint by 25%, armor by 30% and also when there are Geryon more than one, increase their attack by 25 %

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You have some interesting ideas here. I like the idea of the seasons. It might be a bit complicated to achieve looking at the other god powers. But it could always be a god power that lasts 40 seconds, shifting to a new season every 10 seconds?

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Its just like any other God Power, you roll the wheel with seasons name on it and the arrow on the wheel decided what season you get (similiar to how prize pool wheel in tv show being rolled)

Also, this God Power,… I imagined it to have 50 seconds cooldown before you can roll it again (except the result that you get can be changed by paying 100 favor to get what season effect you want)

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Idea of sirens upgrade to nymph of triton is the best… Especially if the sirens have low heatlh and no having decent armor… It would be suicide for them to engage the enemy naval with the ships…

But I think you need one more naval myth unit which is Cetus (sea serpent) because it will give you hack damage that can destroy ships in instance, giving harmony to siren abilities to lure enemies to their direction

Also Geryon cost should be in low cost if you want to give them the upgrade