If every civilization had two UU what unit of civilization would you like to see?

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@alexandr.catalaun

Unfortunately, the matter is too complicated and I cannot give a definite reply, while trying to stay close to historical accuracy. I’m afraid i’ll be repeating the obvious things.
One aspect is the concept of early feudal empire (e.g. Frankish (Carolingian) Empire–>Kingdom of France, Rashiddun Caliphate–>Mamluk Sultanate, Sassanid–>Safawid empires in Iran, Seljuk Sultanate –> Ottoman Empire, Grand principalities of Kiev–>Moscow, Tang–>Ming empires in China, or briefly united kingdoms of Goths or Vikings), where such units as Frankish Throwing Axeman, Huskarl or Berzerker are up-to-time, but become out of use in late feudal time. Should there be the concept of early imperial unit invited to the game?
Another concept is the attempt of keeping early feudal factions to the late feudal (gunpowder) age, so there is another question: is it historically accurate to keep both e.g. Goths and Spanish till the gunpowder age? Or Huns and Cumans? Or should these be united accordingly?
(Sorry for providing you two more questions instead of one clear reply).

Yes, these are questions that probably won’t have answers soon…

@Icecream4086

Was there really a ram flame thrower like this in reality?

It seems so… There are no concrete records, but for example, Thucydides mentions that in the siege of Delium in 424 BC during the Peloponnesian War, a long tube on wheels was used which blew flames forward using large bellows. Then, obviously, during the existence of the Byzantine Empire, they used “Greek fire” on everything (soldiers, towers, ships, battering rams, catapults, so I wouldn’t doubt it)…

@JuryMusic777863

Bandeirantes for Portuguese from Rise of Nations.

The bandeirantes are much later, from the 16th to the 18th century, they would fit better in AoE 3…

@JuryMusic777863

Tatars, elephant artillery (elephant cannons)

@alexandr.catalaun

It’s more unit of Hindustanis, Tatar steppes are not siutable location to breed elephants.

@JuryMusic777863

True, they’re from Medieval 2 total war with the Timurids.

Yes, in fact the Indians in AoE3 have it as Siege Elephant (because it is based on the Mughal army which in turn descends from the Timurid army)…

Standard Siege Elephant

Honored/Exalted Siege Elephant

Mansabdar Siege Elephant (only from Charminar wonder)

@UpmostRook9474

• Gain the Flamethrower (cart) as a UU available at the Siege Workshop in the Imperial Age.

Yes, and it also resembled its AoE 3 version that has a flamethrower…

@UpmostRook9474

• To follow the siege warfare theme, grant access to the Bombard Cannon and introduce a new UT named “Bohiya” (棒火矢), or “Ōzutsu” (大筒).
• The new UT grants Hand Cannoneer projectiles a small blast radius, and gives gunpowder units additional attack bonuses against buildings and ships.

I would add Ozutsu UT simply to reference AoE 4 Ozutsu…it could make the bombard cannon fire 33% faster (like Kataparuto does now with the trebuchets) and have 10% area damage (like the Ozutsu from AoE 4)…

@UpmostRook9474

• Change the class of War Wagon to siege cavalry.
• Change the War Wagon’s projectile to a straight volley of around 4 rockets, arrows, or bullets.
• Shinkichon also benefits War Wagons.

@UpmostRook9474

Hussars without key upgrades are often weaker than properly upgraded Light Cavalry. Strengthening Koreans’ Stable without directly buffing War Wagons won’t make the civ overpowered but will help make cavalry a viable support option. Meanwhile, the War Wagon is reworked slightly to better reflect its historical inspiration and make it more logically classified (e.g., not being countered by skirmishers).

The Hwarang unit can help spotlight early medieval Korean history. The current Korean UUs—War Wagon and Turtle Ship—are from relatively late periods, so Hwarang would help add earlier representation.

Yes, that makes sense, plus the War Wagon would now look like the Korean Hwacha…

@UpmostRook9474

• Naqara is a new UU: a war drummer mounted on a Bactrian camel, trainable at the Castle. It inspires siege units within 10 tiles to move 25% faster.

Yes, it would be like the Ottoman Mehter from AoE 4…

@UpmostRook9474

The current Mongol Castle visual isn’t inaccurate, but it’s also appropriate for the Khitans. It would be better to reserve it for them and instead give the Mongols a new Castle design that reflects a more nomadic aesthetic—perhaps decorated with yurts and felt structures like the Wonder of Cumans.

While I agree that it may seem unconventional to give an iconic civ like the Mongols a unit having aura, this could be a useful step toward slightly softening their late-game dominance. Their strongest power spike remains intact, but they now require extra preparation and protection for the Naqara to maintain full siege mobility. This introduces both tactical depth and counterplay. Moreover, Naqara are mentioned in the narrative of the Genghis Khan campaign from the very beginning, which supports their introduction.

Yes, I like the idea… besides obviously making the Mongols a more nomadic civilization, and if you want, a rushing one like in AoE 4… at this point they should allow nomadic civilizations (Mongols, Cumans, Tatars, Jurchens, and Khitans) to build yurts instead of houses…

@UpmostRook9474

• Release an official skin mod that changes the Mameluke’s mount from a camel to a horse.

Yes, hopefully…

@TommoChocolate

These aren’t cheirosiphons. “Cheiro” means “hand” – cheirosiphons were small enough to be handheld.

Yes, it should be called Fire Battering Ram, but it is what it is…