While we have already 6 civs which use Mediterranean architectural set, I am totally fine with Eastern European architectural set for Poles and Danes.
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Honestly, it would still be good to see a Central European building set be added. Now perhaps other European civs that can be added to AoE3 are the Bohemians and Hungarians. Now the Hungarians, like the Ottomans and Russians, can have access to the Cavalry Archer. If we get a DLC that adds in some Middle Eastern civs, then I could imagine that the Middle Eastern building set would not only be given to those civs of that Middle Eastern DLC, but the Ottomans would also use it as well because Ottomans are also Middle Eastern.
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I would be just thankful if they add Poles and Danes at this point. This DLC relatively has increased the player amount but I am sure MS wants more. In order to obtain it, as a community we need to push more and also at the same time, MS should be smart enough to give us Poles and Danes because EU civs will get the most sales and also increase the player amount permanently.
So cost-wise, Poles and Danes with Eastern European architectural set is feasible and realistic. I would keep my ammunition for Persians if a new architectural set will be done along with some Ottoman rework as they require the most uniqueness.
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Yes, but after an Asian dlc, otherwise the players would be oversaturated with Europe…
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I’d also like to see a DLC with a native american and a post-colonial civ both from South America
Or with either two natives or two former colonies
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Of course, the Warriors of the Baltic (Poles and Danes) and the Horsemen of the Black Sea (Tatars and Cossacks)…
Of course, that would be good…
Of course, Tupi and Mapuches on one side and Brazil and Argentina on the other…
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I wonder if the Asian DLC would bring in civs like the Koreans and Burmese?
Asia can be divided into 3 dlcs if you want: Middle East (Persia of XVI-XVII c. and Oman of XIX c.) (1501/1571-1856), Southeast Asia (Burma and Siam of XVI-XIX c.) (1510/1581-1886) and Far East (Korea of XVI-XVII c. and Vietnam of XIX c.) (1592-1871)…
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For the Middle East DLC, I can definitely imagine the Ottomans having their architecture style changed to the Middle Eastern building set due to the fact that the Ottomans were an empire who’s main place was the Middle East.
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Of course, as it happens with the dlcs of aoe 2…although the Ottoman Empire is considered as a Mediterranean civ, so I doubt that they will change it…
For me, I don’t doubt that they’ll change it. It’s rather appropriate to see the Ottomans with the Middle Eastern building set.
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The architecture set Ottomans are a part of is now rather crowded, so I’d definitely like more sets.
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Guys I’ve been reading several times some wants a more Middle Eastern looking design for the Ottomans: I had commented on that there showing how appropriate and accurate the current Ottoman design is and wonderfully avoided the awful, stereotypical and absolutely untrue depiction of AoE2.
To illustrate my words, here are, once more, real pictures of various Ottoman buildings , compared with Persian equivalents and the in-game representations:
Barracks
Ottomans
Persians
In-game
Artillery Foundry
Ottomans
Persians
?
In-game
Mosque
Ottomans
Persians
In-game
Houses
Ottomans
Persians
In-game
Market
Ottomans
Persians
In-game
Palace (Town Center)
Ottomans
Persians
In-game
Capitol
Ottomans
Persians
?
In-game
Docks
Ottomans
Persians
?
In-game
Forts
Ottomans
Persians
In-game
Even settlers, contrary to critics I’ve seen, are actually loyal representations. Particularly the female, whereas the male has a straw hat typical from the Mediterranean regions, still worn today by local folks:
Ottomans
Persians
In-game
From these comparisons it can be concluded AoE3 did quite an incredible job at depicting accurately the Ottomans: notice the tiles emphasis in buildings for instance. Parallelly, the singular, sophisticated Persian architecture is quite different from the Byzantine-influenced Ottoman one: pay attention for example to the colourful tiles in Persians buildings, or to the typical long, thin hat for male citizens.
Assimilating Persian and Ottoman architectures is one of the errors I fear that could lead to sad misrepresentations. I particularly have in mind the horrendous design from the Wars of Liberty mod (the sorrowful grey buildings aspect) or the dreadful treatment the Turks endured in AoE2 (as if it was taken from the Arabian Nights tales).
Therefore, I prefer to stick with the current, perfectly acceptable Ottoman design, although shared with other Mediterranean civs, rather than having its coherent appearance twisted by unrelated Persian additions that are just too unique.
If seldom improvements must be done, then only the advanced Mosque (the basic model is perfect) might enjoy a makeover to correct that skinny aspect, perhaps the Capitol to reflect more particular Ottoman special buildings, maybe the male settler that could have his straw hat exchanged for a cap and small turban(see pictures above), or the houses that are very Mediterranean focused.
Therefore, to relieve the overused Mediterranean theme, then perhaps the solution lies rather in adjusting the Iberian nations of Spain and Portugal.
Wrong mate, the Ottomans heartland was Rumelia, a region covering much of the Balkans, encompassing northeastern Greece, Bulgaria, North Macedonia and the Marmara basin. Anatolia was less important and less rich, unlike the value it had for their predecessors, the Seljuks.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/349537406_The_Ottoman_Empire_and_Europe
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While that’s very nice, are you sure it’s really appropriate to use architecture from the heartland of the Ottoman Empire as a foundation?
For example, architecture in French Canada or Portuguese Brazil was very different from architecture in metropolitan France and Portugal.
Yes, when they put civs from the Middle East or Morocco, they will change the architecture to the Ottomans to those civs, unless Morocco is given the Mediterranean architecture and already and the Persians are given the Indian architecture…
That’s an interesting observation, but I’m not sure it’s relevant for the Ottoman case.
Ottoman architecture had quite a noticeable pattern, that was implemented across the Empire, with of course regional tweaks.
The subtility is the Ottomans mostly founded/developed cities in Europe as they either didn’t find settlements in the positions they deemed strategic, or weren’t satisfied with the existing towns.
On the contrary, the Ottomans chose to build on cities like Cairo or Damascus, true megapolis from the Medieval times.
Again let’s have a look to various buildings from each continent of the Empire:
Mosques
Europe
Asia
Africa
Bridges
Europe
Asia
Africa
Caravanserais
Europe
Asia
Africa
?
Palaces
Europe
Asia
Africa
Clocktower
Europe
Asia
Africa
Fortresses
Europe
Asia
Africa
Fountains
Europe
Asia
Africa
Houses
Europe
Asia
Africa
From these pictures, the distinctive and homogeneous trademarks of Ottoman architecture become even more clearer.
Again, regional tweaks exist, but these examples give a good overview of classic Ottoman architecture encountered in the former territories. After all, contrary to the British or the French colonies in the Americas, Ottomans didn’t have an ocean separating their capital from their lands !
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I’m not sure I understood your point compañero: a I said and showed, it would make no sense to give Moroccan design, that is very specific, to the Ottomans while their current in-game design is actually pretty accurate !
Morocco especially, has quite an unique architecture and style:
Mosque
Fortress
Palace
University
Houses
Gates
Now compare these with the above Ottoman buildings I’ve shown! Then have a look to the differences with the Persians there
I think both Moroccans and Persians would deserve a unique design, the only way their splendid architecture could be accurately reflected. And I’m not worried, I trust the studio can absolutely achieve that, after having delighted us with the Hausa design, the new Italian buildings, or the Asian wonders !
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