These further prove that 3K:
If I have caused an insult, it was due to ignorance of another, completely different approach. I’d like to know more about it. My apologies.
It seems i’ve started to understand.
Will it be more correct then, to count a time till 1912 a single imperial period according to Mandate of Heaven concept? Or something else?
Between the Zhou Dynasty (or Qin if you consider the first true centralized state) and the fall of Qing, there were cycles of unifications and separations. There isn’t a single period that could be called “middle ages” (because you need to define “middle of what?”)
In western sense it is a very strict definition of “the ages between the fall of Western Rome and the Renaissance”. Simplified as “middle ages”. And there is a clear evolution line from chaos to feudal system to centralized states without major inversion, so it could be considered as its own transitional era.
There are periods in Chinese history which could be loosely analogous to the middle ages of course, because you can always find some similarities, like decentralization or mass migration. But they recur, and those factors alone do not make them “‘medieval”. Otherwise there would be so many places and eras you could call “medieval” and the term does not mean anything anymore.
Also, WE called 3K “medieval” because they are technically “medieval”. Which is worse
Medieval is not even a technical term. Itself has a huge technical gap and imbalance across regions.
And since Aztecs are in the game, the criteria for civilizations is not “technically medieval” (which never existed as a concept in the first place) but “chronologically medieval” (by western historiography).
they have heros with activated abilities and actual magic in the game. FUCK. THIS. SHIT.
I agree with Huns and Goths, i don’t think the Romans belong. The tag line for the game was literally “Rome has fallen”, for the early Byzantines we have…the Byzantines.
it’s part of V&V, which is an abomination, so can’t be used as an argument for or against anything. Either way, Wu, Shu and Wei existed in the 3rd century (ie in the years 2xx), while Xe An, is in 383, so the end of the 4th century
Chinese history is generally divided into “ancient” (before warring states, about 250 BC), “imperial” (from 250BC ish until the overthrow of the Qing in 1912), and “modern” 1912-now
Funnier since the 3K campaign ended with the Battle of Red Cliffs (209) so it was barely the beginning of the 3rd century, and long before any of the 3K was even established.
So, not civilizations. Not fitting to the game. By any means
No dude you got it all wrong! When the Han dynasty collapsed, the Chinese civilzation disappeared overnight, but three new and entirely unique civilizations with distinct cultures just so happened to manifest out of thin air in the region of China, and when the civil war ended, these three civilizations vanished without a trace and the then-dead Chinese culture revived instantly.
It’s not very strict IMHO. It’s more likely, rather strict.
More about start time is in the definition of “Late antiquity” term. (Otherwise should rid off Huns and Goths civs and campaigns. Western Roman civ too.)
For the common “western” end of medieval time Christopher Columbus’s first voyage to the Americas in 1492 often used, considering as turn of events influence from regional European to global scale (bye Drake scenario, and 3 last missions of de Almeida campaign. The same for Bayinnaung, Ismail I campaigns and Lepanto, Kyoto, Shimazu, Nobunaga, Noryanjin scenarios).
Also traditionally often used 1453 (fall of Eastern Roman empire, if focused on Roman legacy aspect) or 1517 (considering more religious aspect, 95 theses publication, start of Protestant Reformation). Or another close dates depending on history of particular state, if not regional or global scale.
Technically, not fall, but rather, annulation of title of the western Roman emperor due to refuse of eastern emperor Zeno neither appoint new nor support exiled western emperor Julius Nepos after forced abdication of usurper, Romulus Augustulus, by Odoacer, recognized as vicegerent of Zeno in Italy. But yes, it is considered as the end of Western Roman Empire.
Concerning the Renaissance - it was local cultural phenomenon in the north of Italy, which has no influence abroad (for almost century) before the end of 15th cent. Later it became the standard of European culture. In that case we have different times for particular countries regarding to local artists, scientists and philosopers activity. It’s not strict common date.
Agreed, these abities are RPG sh*t.
My apologies for wrong definition of Europe-oriented periodization of history of China as traditional.
I don’t get why Goths are controversial at all (besides their gunpowder). The Ostrogoths existed till 553AD, the Visigoths till 711AD and the Crimean Goths probably even longer as the other two.
Thanks. My mistake, I meant Alaric campaign only.
As far as I know, Crimean goths didn’t have their own state.
Folks we need to get back on topic. About how adding fantasy armies from a book defiles the sanctity of this game and how WE and Forgotten Empires don’t deserve a red cent from you until they apologize and remove them.
I haven’t played the 3K campaigns, I didn’t realize they were this bad…
If you think that’s bad wait until you find out the final level in all 3 campaigns is the exact same map copied and pasted with the same main objectives, except you play as a different faction in each campaign
It’s truly baffling how the dlc looks so hastily sawn together…
Here’s something idiotic I spotted with the 3K models.
See what’s on their feet? Stirrups. Stirrups did not appear in China until centuries after the 3K period.
But perhaps you’re going “Well, perhaps since these are units, they are meant to be more generic?” or “They clearly got the Tiger Cavalry mixed up with Xianbei units which would have them”. Ok, those could have happened…
That is…until I saw this:
Nice stirrups Cao Cao. Where did you get them? Two centuries in the future?
And I’m willing to bet all other mounted 3K heroes have them too…
Ah! There we are, right on schedule. And here I thought Guan Yu was the god of war…not time.
Seriously, it would have taken 5 minutes to figure out that China during this time didn’t have stirrups. I can excuse it on the Centurion, as the model is clearly just a recycled Byzantine hero one. But these are all new. C’mon…this is pathetic.
Let’s go check out the Age of Mythology version of the unit. We already know it’s more accurate due to the lack of animal pelt on their head. But let’s take a look at those feetsies…
Oh dear. Oh dear oh dear oh dear…
Perhaps borrowing someone else’s homework would have been for the best after all.
The 3k civs were so advanced for their time they were literally using things that hadn’t been invented. That’s why they belong in the game you see
The 3K civs are based on the Romance which is a novel written in the Ming dynasty where archeology didn’t exist. That’s why they got all the technology.
Soon we’ll have equally advanced civs like King Arthur, Nibelungs, and Alexander the Great, and someone will yell “they are already in the scenario editor”!
Except that even Romance didn’t say Wei cavalry wore animal pelts
I know the ending of middle ages and the ending of renaissance are both rather ambiguous. What I mean is most people wouldn’t mark it post-1600. So it’s a much clearer and cleaner definition than so called “Chinese middle ages”
Updated, if you are still interested. That’s not the only western opinion which date marks ancient/medieval division applicably to history of China. Another date is 420 AD, abdication of emperor Gong of Sima Jin dynasty.
Thank you for your feedbacks.
