Ah S#!t here we go again!
Time to leave the game again for next few months for it to get balanced.
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the civ looks cool and also gives you option to make some medieval scenarios
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Great addition the Royal Houses. The Renaissance Europe finally comes
But the game is not medievalâŠ
Like adding Soviets to the game and saying to make ww2 scenario, like that doesnt make any sense.
They can make the coolest Soviet civ, but that wouldnt make it any better, like yeah a fire tower is cool and all, but not really fitting.
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Actually, it does fit narrative history⊠the game campaign starts with Morgan Black who was a knight in Malta
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Itâs not, and having these things doesnât make it one either to be honest.
The symbolic end of the medieval era is the year 1500. AoE3 is meant to take place between 1500-1850 (devs are stretching it to 1870-1880s).
Just because you pick a nice round number⊠that doesnât mean anything. 1550 for the vast, vast majority of people was as medieval as 1450. The symbolic turn of an era doesnât magically transform the world, replaces countries, rules of warfare, existing armies, technology etc.
All AoE games are blurry around the edges when it comes to focusing on a clear historical timeframe. In OG AoE III we have many archaic units. Crossbowmen, longbowmen, pikemen or rodeleros exist alongside advanced artillery from the early XIX century and railroads.
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I will remain sceptical.
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mmm that elmeti horses is overpowered, what awaste of time to playa agaisnt it. only cuirasier can kiill it
1800 hp 64 damage 2x versus infantery, and a charged attack. 3 population omg.
pay 5 dollars to always use italy and not suffer again this? i better stop playing
Yeah there is no such thing as player feedback and balance patches, so I guess thatâs the only way out now 
Come on. People complain every time something new comes out. Every single time. No amount of internal or closed testing is ever final.
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I have to say Iâm much disappointed with the choice of Malta.
On one hand Italy, possibly the last major European civilization missing, eventually is released; the European continent is finally tackled along new Minor civs styles; and apparently current European civs will enjoy a facelift too. The shift from the Age of Discovery core, to the larger scale of European theater warfare has officially started (it wasnât so far, contrary to what I could read here and there).
But on the other hand, we get Malta, perhaps among the least significant entities of the possible European civs left. I mean if weâre going for another European civ, letâs go for a much more pertinent Nation like the Danes, who are ideal for AoE3! Heck, I never was for the immediate introduction of Poles-Lithuanians, but if the European theater is addressed, they offer (after the Italians and the Danes) a more logical choice than Malta!
Really my first and foremost concern is that some tremendously deserving civs, from the other much smaller categories, are left abandoned. Iranians, Brazilians, Koreans, Moroccans, Thai or Mapuche definitely constitute better contenders than the Maltese! I especially sorrow for the Asian category that is still longing for a newcomer. Weâre now amounting to a whopping 11 civs for the Europeans, compared to the 4, 3, 2 and 2 for the other categories! And itsâs not like there isnât much candidates for them!
Now, I understand Malta is a special thing for AoE3: we play them during the very 1st campaign that set the iconic story for much of the franchise. Therefore, it is indeed a nice nod. Plus, I have no doubt the devs have found astute gameplay ideas for both the Italians and the Maltese.
Yet, I canât help but have a strange AoE4 aftertaste when I look at these two new civs, they seem so far to heavily emphasize on the Renaissance era, the very 1450-1550 early era of the game.
With Venezia preferred to Roma even if in a contradictory manner the Italian flag used is the modern one from 1946 (not even the Kingdom of Italy flag of 1861!), but above all with the full Maltese roster: its inclusion seems almost anachronistic or at least severely restricted to a century.
That being said, you could answer back the Aztecs ended in 1521: true, nonetheless, they did establish a powerful empire that ruled unmatched their area whereas Malta was always under the vassalage of the Kingdom of Sicily, the French or the British! Again, the European category offer moreover a more solid contender with the Danes whereas there are less choices for the Natives when looking for highly organized entities.
Finally, I wonder how the Royal Houses will render. Itâs an innovative choice, but perhaps I would have preferred to shine a light on local Europeans Natives like the Basques, Bretons, SĂĄmi or Bohemians.
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Really excited for this but I wish there was a campaign too
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I think there are people who complain a lot. I understand that we can never be 100% pleased, but I think that criticizing something for the plot is somewhat out of place in this game.
Personally, what I liked least was the addition of the âdavinci tankâ because I also like the historical logic, but on the other hand I only see it as a tribute to the ingenuity of ancient engineers who were ahead of their time. Besides that the game or the saga in general has never been focused on being historically correct to the letter.
From what I know so far, the tank can only be obtained in the imperial age once when advancing in age, so itâs not much to worry about for those who like realism.
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You have to think that devs are releasing civs that can reuse a lot of assets: In USA they reused historical battle civ, campaign voices, Ironclad and Gatling model, in Mexico they didnât have to create a new building set, the same for this two new civs.
And Malta, they heavily reused Osseus Knight, Alain Morgan skin, Hoop Throeer, Medic Tents and even Fixed guns and Gunpowder warehouse. It is like a high quality mod. (Thing that itâs okay for me)
So I picture that budget has a lot of importance here: doing a non European civ would mean: even different languages in multicultural empires, totally new building sets, the impossibility of not reusing existing common units, wonders for asians, and soâŠ
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Some people were like ânooooo they had time and resource to make 2 full civs but they wasted one on Maltaâ.
Thatâs not the case. They may only have time and resource to make 1.5 civs and thatâs why we get Malta.
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Just put 5 mins in ur research.
Orgun guns : not part of the Portuguese Arsenal. Should be Italian or a merc. Ribauldequin just google it.
Caravel : Portuguese ship/ put the Nau in.
Jinete: No Portuguese name for a dragon as I know, Portugal was not famous for cav.
Homecity: Lisbon Cathedral is kina accurate, but spanish use the same model.
Special church tech: Encomienda Manor is a Spanish System. For the Portuguese, would the cartaz System make more sense but its based on trade, for example.
The Only unique unit that is portuguese is the Caçadores. The Besteiro is correct.
A country that is famous for trade, ships, mercenaries, adventurer, Pirates gunpowder and Discovery.
But most people just think Portugal and Spain is the same yes. It seems you like total inaccurate nations.
PS: Sorry for my english
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Although there was no campaign, no Tycoon mode, the diplomacy in the FFA and the historical maps give a lot of replayability.
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Got very surprised with Malta. Idk why but iam hyped. 
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It is a very cool and uncommon thing to see in a game. Countries like Malta or Cyprus are both very familiar and very exotic and certainly unusual. Also Forgotten Empires is not a 450-person dev team, itâs much easier to bounce between Italy and Malta in a themed expansion, than include really bizarre combinations like Italy and Brazil, Persia, Poland, Norway or whatever else people want.
The price of this DLC would be great even without Malta. 30 new Random Maps alone are a massive package, other games would sell these maps 10/10$ or something.
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Yeah Malta is just reusing assets from the campaign to make a new civ and Iâm okay with that. Iâm under no illusion Malta has stolen the place of Morroco or Persia.
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I was disappointed of Malta at the start but slowly Iâm accepting them as some sort of the AoE3 Blood campaign fan civ, maybe next time weâll get D-N and PLC as their fans are in the same gunboat
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